Mitt Romeny explaining the ACA

[level.eleven]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTByvLtYIYA&feature=youtu.behttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTByvLtYIYA&

See folks, its not a mandate, it is a personal responsibility principle. Like a tax not being a tax.

 

[ZombieApocolypse]

Sounds to me like he supports it

 

[Denny347]

This is him touting the legislation he backed in Mass. It is almost exactly the same that Obama introduced that Romney now hates. They used Romney's legislation as a model for the national. I love politics.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Mitt Romeny explaining the ACA

No, explaining Massachusetts' proposed reform.

Just some the young lions of INGO understand, the individual mandate was the darling of health care reform among Libertarian and Conservative circles. Romeny was in a position to implement it and feel hook, line and sinker for the Democrats ambush loading it up with pizza toppings which all would pay for.

The mandate was seen as a fix but now has fallen into disfavor among the Right.

 

[rambone]

Romeny was in a position to implement it and feel hook, line and sinker for the Democrats ambush loading it up with pizza toppings which all would pay for.

Still blaming Democrats for things Romney puts his name on? He knew what he was doing then, and he has defended it ever since. He's either an anti-capitalist or a buffoon.

Just some the young lions of INGO understand, the individual mandate was the darling of health care reform among Libertarian and Conservative circles.

The mandate was seen as a fix but now has fallen into disfavor among the Right.

Call its advocates whatever you like. Mandates always have, and always will be a statist wet dream.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Still blaming Democrats for things Romney puts his name on? He knew what he was doing then, and he has defended it ever since. He's either an anti-capitalist or a buffoon.

Ummm, no, I was blaming Romney for falling for the Democrats siren song just as was obvious from my post. Again, Romney trusted the Democrats and they slathered Romney's bill with all kinds of treats. He was a buffoon to believe them.

Call its advocates whatever you like. Mandates always have, and always will be a statist wet dream.

15 to 20 years ago the advocates of mandates were Libertarians and Conservatives.

 

[rambone]

Here's Governor Romney "falling for" the Democrats' agenda. Ted Kennedy was patting him on the back while he signed the bill.

 

[rambone]

Ummm, no, I was blaming Romney for falling for the Democrats siren song just as was obvious from my post. Again, Romney trusted the Democrats and they slathered Romney's bill with all kinds of treats. He was a buffoon to believe them.

Of course he trusted them. He shared the same agenda with Democrats.

He advocated Universal Health Care since his first day in politics.

15 to 20 years ago the advocates of mandates were Libertarians and Conservatives.

They can call themselves whatever they like. They weren't advocating liberty or fiscal conservatism. We typically call those kind of people "frauds."

 

[Kirk Freeman]

And your point?

 

[Kirk Freeman]

He advocated Universal Health Care since his first day in politics.

No, but the Libertarian/Conservative argument in favor of mandates found a home in Romney.

They can call themselves whatever they like. They weren't advocating liberty or fiscal conservatism. We typically call those kind of people "frauds."

Fair enough.

 

[rambone]

No, but the Libertarian/Conservative argument in favor of mandates found a home in Romney.

No? Really, he was. On a Federal level, too. We've gone through this.

Since his first day in politics, he's been pushing what we now call "Obamacare." This is him in 1994 campaigning for U.S. Senate, saying that:

"I'm convinced every American deserves coverage, and we're only going to really solve the spiraling rise of health care costs if everybody is part of a health care system."

www.youtube.com/watch?v=TimUAEzaC2U

 

[rambone]

And your point?

Right here.

 

[Citizen711]

Even assuming all this is just how it's being presented here, Romney is *still* a *far* better option for POTUS than Obama. It's not even debatable.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Since his first day in politics, he's been pushing what we now call "Obamacare." This is him in 1994 campaigning for U.S. Senate, saying that:

My head hurts.

In the early '90s mandates were the darling of some in Libertarian/Conservative circles. Romney bought in.

BTW, Obama was against mandates in the '90s and until 2008.

 

[mydoghasfleas]

Romney getting elected will be a huge win for my liberty.

I for one, cant wait to be told what to do by romney instead of obama.

 

[Cerberus]

15 to 20 years ago the advocates of mandates were Libertarians and Conservatives.

You know in the 20 years I've known of Libertarianism I've not heard them advocate mandates. Got any solid proof of this other than a single Reason magazine article where the idea was discussed?

 

[Kirk Freeman]

You know in the 20 years I've known of Libertarianism I've not heard them advocate mandates.

As you remember from 20 years ago, many on the right were enthused about the insurance mandate. Just as the right to arms started as a mandate, they believed that health insurance should be mandated.

The Heritage Foundation, the Manhattan Institute, Ronald Bailey (both the human and the robotic parts of him), University of Chicago professors, Richard Posner, inter alia all spoke in glowing terms of the insurance mandate.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

It was the Right, conservatives and libertarians, that were pushing the insurance mandate in the Reagan years under the banner of "responsibility".

From Wikipedia: Health insurance mandate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

An individual mandate to purchase healthcare was initially proposed by the politically conservativeHeritage Foundation in 1989 as an alternative to single-payer health care. From its inception, the idea of an individual mandate was championed by Republican politicians as a free-market approach to health-care reform.[2][3] The individual mandate was felt to resonate with conservative principles of individual responsibility, and conservative groups recognized that the healthcare market was unique. Stuart Butler, an early supporter of the individual mandate at the Heritage Foundation, wrote:

If a young man wrecks his Porsche and has not had the foresight to obtain insurance, we may commiserate, but society feels no obligation to repair his car. But health care is different. If a man is struck down by a heart attack in the street, Americans will care for him whether or not he has insurance.

For the history of how this conservative/libertarian idea became an idea of the Left:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...urned-its-back-on-the-individual-mandate.html

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[Kirk Freeman]

Romney listened to those influential conservative and libertarian voices and thought that insurance mandates would be an ideal fix to head off calls for single payer system.

He was wrong of course. The answer is to return health care to the market system--abolish the protectionist fence building schemes, permit buying of insurance across state lines, create HSAs for all, repeal the mandates that states place on insurance companies, and above all make all of medicine more like elective eye surgery or cosmetic surgery.

 

[Arthur Dent]

Even assuming all this is just how it's being presented here, Romney is *still* a *far* better option for POTUS than Obama. It's not even debatable.

You honestly think this? Neither one is looking out for the best interests of the country. They never will.