It almost turned south real fast.

[longbow]

i had a close encounter with a drugged person a few days back in a moderately lit parking lot. Came within 6 feet.
He Was thinking of his next step with me really hard and it showed in his face, He walked up to my car before I was able to get in it. I did see him coming towards me so I was aware of the threat.

Stood my ground but prepared for the worst. Used logic with him and got him to move on. I think the command voice helpEd defuse the issue.

G43 with night sites was my gun that night.

 

[mark40sw]

What kind of logic got him to move?

 

[CitizenX]

Drugged / Drunk people understand logic? Where was I when this came to be? I need to get out more.

 

[Tactically Fat]

Another successful MUC.

OP - and others... It's highly beneficial to have a MUC class. Managing unknown contacts.

 

[Wabatuckian]

About 15 years ago some elderly feller took exception to me being in a local gas station. I had the night off, and stopped in for some coffee. The clerk was a childhood friend/best friend's little sister, and I decided to stick around.

Well, apparently this old feller (we'll call him "Floyd," because that was the douchebag's name) had a crush on my friend.

I went out to the parking lot to grab something from my car, and he followed me.

Did I mention I was on crutches at the time?

So Floyd put his hand in the pocket where he's known to keep a knife. I couldn't run, couldn't really stand without the crutches, and so I stood there facing him with about 20ft between us.

I really didn't want to shoot him. He was known to be unstable and I wasn't interested in gunning down a senile old bastard. He wasn't advancing, and I figured on drawing had he taken another step.

Then he turned around and left. I suppose the situation wasn't working out the way he pictured it.

I never displayed a gun, but he never actually displayed a knife, either.

In hindsight, I really should have made a report.

 

[Aszerigan]

Another successful MUC.

OP - and others... It's highly beneficial to have a MUC class. Managing unknown contacts.

I googled MUC class but came up empty. What do they teach you in these classes?

 

[AndreusMaximus]

About 15 years ago some elderly feller took exception to me being in a local gas station. I had the night off, and stopped in for some coffee. The clerk was a childhood friend/best friend's little sister, and I decided to stick around.

Well, apparently this old feller (we'll call him "Floyd," because that was the douchebag's name) had a crush on my friend.

I went out to the parking lot to grab something from my car, and he followed me.

Did I mention I was on crutches at the time?

So Floyd put his hand in the pocket where he's known to keep a knife. I couldn't run, couldn't really stand without the crutches, and so I stood there facing him with about 20ft between us.

I really didn't want to shoot him. He was known to be unstable and I wasn't interested in gunning down a senile old bastard. He wasn't advancing, and I figured on drawing had he taken another step.

Then he turned around and left. I suppose the situation wasn't working out the way he pictured it.

I never displayed a gun, but he never actually displayed a knife, either.

In hindsight, I really should have made a report.

Sounds like a harrowing situation.

Still, not to make fun, but why would you even bother with a report on something like that? What are you going to tell them happened?

 

[wcd]

i had a close encounter with a drugged person a few days back in a moderately lit parking lot. Came within 6 feet.
He Was thinking of his next step with me really hard and it showed in his face, He walked up to my car before I was able to get in it. I did see him coming towards me so I was aware of the threat.

Stood my ground but prepared for the worst. Used logic with him and got him to move on. I think the command voice helpEd defuse the issue.

G43 with night sites was my gun that night.

Glad your ok.

IF you are not already utilizing a carry flashlight, now would be a good time to start. 2100 Lumens speaks to even meth heads.

 

[Aszerigan]

2100 Lumens speaks to even meth heads.

Wakey wakey.

Amazon product ASIN B002MF10DC

 

[Cameramonkey]

I googled MUC class but came up empty. What do they teach you in these classes?

John Murphy of FPF teaches MUC as part of his Street Encounters Skills. HIGHLY recommend his class.

Glad it all worked out, OP. Being situationally aware and carrying yourself confidently goes a LONG way to keeping yourself out of trouble. I'm 100% confident I have managed to avoid two encounters that would have gone VERY bad for one/both of us. Partly due to the skills John taught me.

EDIT: I have also heard good things about Craig Douglas of Shivworks. His content is all over FB and youtube.

 

[Wabatuckian]

Sounds like a harrowing situation.

Still, not to make fun, but why would you even bother with a report on something like that? What are you going to tell them happened?

This "Floyd" wasn't unknown to cops. He also made a couple threats, so I dunno. Probably nothing would have come of it, which is why I didn't bother reporting it at the time.

 

[longbow]

What kind of logic got him to move?

I would say, asking him what is up and not showing fear. More non verbal than words.

 

[longbow]

The vibe he put off was like he was sizing me up, and decided to move on.

 

[Cameramonkey]

I would say, asking him what is up and not showing fear. More non verbal than words.

Sometimes its the little things. My most recent incident I had a guy follow me toward the small hotel parking lot, which is fenced in and a "blind box" due to shrubs and privacy fences. In my case Simply making it obvious that I knew he was following me and I wasnt going to be caught by surprise was enough for him to decide I wasnt an easy enough target and break off. He headed the opposite direction I was walking after he changed his mind, so he wasnt simply trying to cut through the lot and realized he couldnt.

 

[bwframe]

I like to have another non-lethal option to go with the EDC light. I keep them in all the vehicles.

 

[tim87tr]

I like to have another non-lethal option to go with the EDC light. I keep them in all the vehicles.

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The index nub on the business end is very intuitive. Also as you know the spring loaded cap on the trigger is a good safety item that is also intuitive to get a thumb under it if needed.

I had an unfortunate encounter with a large dog in which the POM was easy to use, out of the pocket from the clip. It shot a solid stream at least 12 feet, maybe 15, and I found myself adjusting the aim as I held the button down. Saved me from a nasty dog bite or worse.

 

[bwframe]

The index nub on the business end is very intuitive. Also as you know the spring loaded cap on the trigger is a good safety item that is also intuitive to get a thumb under it if needed.

I had an unfortunate encounter with a large dog in which the POM was easy to use, out of the pocket from the clip. It shot a solid stream at least 12 feet, maybe 15, and I found myself adjusting the aim as I held the button down. Saved me from a nasty dog bite or worse.

Ironically, some idiot just posted a thread about a bad dog...

Bad Dog!

"Not a joke!" :lmfao: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12595979/joe-biden-german-shepherd-commander-biting.html

www.indianagunowners.com

 

[cosermann]

I googled MUC class but came up empty. What do they teach you in these classes?…

Try searching on “managing unknown contacts.” Briefly (very briefly) it’s a method for dealing with unknown individuals that includes managing distance, verbal interaction, and movement (way too oversimplified, I know.). It includes the basics of interacting with a person before a fight with the goal of avoiding one all together, and positioning yourself advantageously if it’s unavoidable.

As mentioned by CM, John Murphy teaches as part of the aforementioned class. The late William Aprill used to include a module at the end of his Unthinkable class. Craig Douglas is the guy who most recently popularized the idea (has a fair bit of the method online in articles and YT videos). He includes in his ECQC, EWO, and PUC classes last I uknew (maybe other classes as well). Cecil Burch (of Immediate Action Combatives) and Glen Stilson (of Independence Training) included a good discussion of MUC and some drills in the Close Contact Handgun class they ran in Terre Haute a couple of years ago. I think of Craig as the originator of the method. Cecil‘s and Glen‘s was also very well done, which is to be expected as Cecil is a part of the Shivworks Collective with Craig (as was Willian Aprill).

I’ve been through 3 iterations (Paladin Combatives, William Aprill, and Cecil/Glen), and have learned something valuable every single time. Highly recommended.

 

[MrSmitty]

Ironically, some idiot just posted a thread about a bad dog...

Bad Dog!

"Not a joke!" :lmfao: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12595979/joe-biden-german-shepherd-commander-biting.html

www.indianagunowners.com

Joe Biden's dog?

 

[Brad69]

BBI used to teach an awesome class on SA with videos and shooting scenarios.

This before he got promoted!

I almost got jacked by a meth head with a taser years ago. He didn't stick around after looking down the barrel of a 1911.