You'll always get a +1 with me for Bible quotes.
Now my life is fulfilled.
What is your opinion on Romans 13?
You'll always get a +1 with me for Bible quotes.
Honor to whom honor is due.Now my life is fulfilled.
What is your opinion on Romans 13?
So then why do we even have the guns? Except for, you know, hunting.The first 7 verses are a bitter pill to take but you have to remember that Nero was ruling in Rome when Paul wrote it...
If literally read, and the belief held that God’s word trumps our nation of laws, it seems to me one must conclude that God set those people in place, and we are too obey their edict.To properly apply Romans 13, one must remember WE are a nation of laws rather than men. Holding men to account for subverting the law would seem congruent with the passage.
Would the same have applied to Hitler, Stalin, and Mao? Does it mean people should turn in their neighbors as the government commanded?If literally read, and the belief held that God’s word trumps our nation of laws, it seems to me one must conclude that God set those people in place, and we are too obey their edict.
Thoughtful points. For me, the "Why" is often more important than the "what". Spanking a child - What's the difference between assaulting a child and shaping proper behavior? Did the parent react out of anger, or for the ultimate good of the child and others? "Why" is important, and with a proper "why" you generally get a better "what". (Understanding that we aren't perfect). In your example, I assume that the brother acted out of anger and ignorance, not from understanding and a thoughtful pursuit of justice.So I will agree that this is a good shoot, but not for the same reasons as most others. I believe it is only a good shoot because the guy attacked the police, not the initial victim.
And here is why...
"Why" is the question, aka mens rea. Why was the initial person attacked? Say that was a father attacking the rapist of his daughter. A fit of rage/revenge. Inappropriate? Of course, yes. Deserving of punishment? Yes, absolutely. However, in the scenario I have given the victim isn't blame free, they are an alleged rapist.
The problem with immediate justice is simply that it is NOT justice. It is something else.
I believe we all want to see justice done everywhere. I hope we can agree on that. However, all too often what we have seen or heard or been told is only part of the story. For justice to ever be achieved the whole story should be discovered. Only then, with proper context, can we have any hope that true justice will be achieved.
Some years ago a young girl was raped in an apartment complex here in Fort Wayne. She immediately went home and told her brother. She described who did it and what apartment they were in. The brother went there and killed the rapist. We're all good with that. No court time. No long, drawn out trial. No waste of taxpayers money incarcerating over the years. On the surface it looks like a reasonable conclusion.
Except that the girl got the apartment number wrong. The brother killed an innocent man minding his own business.
I'm all for "hang 'em high," just after a thorough investigation making absolutely certain you apply the right punishment to the appropriate crime. I do believe in justice, and justice ain't speedy. In this case, after attacking the other officers, I agree.
Regards and Merry Christmas,
Doug
There IS a lot to take in there.Now my life is fulfilled.
What is your opinion on Romans 13?
Well I certainly don’t think so, and my default setting is to ask for forgiveness not permission. So I’m perfectly happy to disobey the govt and do what I think is right. But I can’t read that literally and in good conscience disobey, something has to give.Would the same have applied to Hitler, Stalin, and Mao? Does it mean people should turn in their neighbors as the government commanded?
Read literally, it would seem to state that rulers are good and just, that their authority is protective of the public. How do we reconcile that with the historical existence if known evil, despotic rulers? They neither cared for their subjects or ruled justly. They were evil, motivated solely by their by selfish desires for wealth and power.Well I certainly don’t think so, and my default setting is to ask for forgiveness not permission. So I’m perfectly happy to disobey the govt and do what I think is right. But I can’t read that literally and in good conscience disobey, something has to give.
ETA this is still just what I think, it has nothing to do with the literal understanding of the text, and I don’t see how your response addresses that, it just asks more questions.
Literal, obey authority. Disobey, and you disobey God.
ventilated??I'm pretty sure if someone does this in the US, especially the attacking officers part, they're going to be ventilated here too.
Holes made rapidly about their person so that equilibrium of inner fluids and atmospheric pressure is reached, also resulting in the temperature of said attacker reaching equilibrium with the atmospheric conditions in the immediate area.ventilated??