Is the end of Atterbury Shooting Range near ?

[KLB]

One Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib are too many, we don't need any more.

I see them much more as progressives than Muslims, other than being anti-Semitic.

 

[drillsgt]

I see them much more as progressives than Muslims, other than being anti-Semitic.

As of now they go hand in hand, maybe someday someone of Muslim faith who's a conservative will run?

 

[KLB]

As of now they go hand in hand, maybe someday someone of Muslim faith who's a conservative will run?

From a sample size of two, you extrapolate that Muslims are progressive? Are the resident Muslims on INGO progressive?

What chance would a conservative Muslim have of winning in most areas? I am guessing a lot on here would never vote for one, no matter how conservative they seemed to be. You don't see a lot of racial prejudice around here, but there is religious prejudice.

 

[churchmouse]

I see them much more as progressives than Muslims, other than being anti-Semitic.

Muslims under cover. Omar is a straight up Muslim

 

[KLB]

Muslims under cover. Omar is a straight up Muslim

What is an under cover Muslim?

How does Islam intersect with progressivism any more than Christianity?

Omar is a straight up idiot. She represents Minneapolis and its burbs. She was elected because she was a progressive, replacing Ellison, another progressive. They may have virtue voted for her because she was Muslim, but she was not elected because her district is majority Muslim.

 

[buckwacker]

What is an under cover Muslim?

How does Islam intersect with progressivism any more than Christianity?

Omar is a straight up idiot. She represents Minneapolis and its burbs. She was elected because she was a progressive, replacing Ellison, another progressive. They may have virtue voted for her because she was Muslim, but she was not elected because her district is majority Muslim.

They both despise Christianity. Enemy of my enemies sort of thing?

 

[Chewie]

What is an under cover Muslim?

How does Islam intersect with progressivism any more than Christianity?

Omar is a straight up idiot. She represents Minneapolis and its burbs. She was elected because she was a progressive, replacing Ellison, another progressive. They may have virtue voted for her because she was Muslim, but she was not elected because her district is majority Muslim.

A Muslim "progessive" wins in a majority Muslim district? And her religion has no bearing on her victory?
Please remove the blinders, I bet this had a lot to do with her win, along with her destroy America ideals!

 

[churchmouse]

What is an under cover Muslim?

How does Islam intersect with progressivism any more than Christianity?

Omar is a straight up idiot. She represents Minneapolis and its burbs. She was elected because she was a progressive, replacing Ellison, another progressive. They may have virtue voted for her because she was Muslim, but she was not elected because her district is majority Muslim.

As to you 1st sentence.
Obama.

 

[Jaybird1980]

Are Constitutional rights for citizens only?

I think everyone has the right, but the Constitution is only there to protect the citizens of the US's rights. Well it's supposed to. You want the protection covered by the Constitution, pledge allegiance to this great country and follow the laws so you don't lose your rights.

Sorry, just jumping in and haven't read the whole thread.

 

[Chewie]

As to you 1st sentence.
Obama.

Simple, clear, concise, accurate response.
Proof you are no politician CM.

 

[drillsgt]

From a sample size of two, you extrapolate that Muslims are progressive? Are the resident Muslims on INGO progressive?

What chance would a conservative Muslim have of winning in most areas? I am guessing a lot on here would never vote for one, no matter how conservative they seemed to be. You don't see a lot of racial prejudice around here, but there is religious prejudice.

Actually it's 3/3 in Congress so 100% lol. I wouldn't have any problem voting for a conservative Muslim, within the military and in academia I have a number of friends that are Muslim and have actually been to their homes and socialized, didn't think anything of it. The most religious prejudice you usually see around here is from the resident atheists.

 

[KLB]

A Muslim "progessive" wins in a majority Muslim district? And her religion has no bearing on her victory?
Please remove the blinders, I bet this had a lot to do with her win, along with her destroy America ideals!

Where did you find that the 5th district in MN is majority Muslim?

It's only 15% foreign born. The whole state is about on par with the nation at around 1% from what I can find. That puts the number somewhere in the 50-100K range statewide.

Religious Landscape Study

Explore the geographic distribution and demographics of America's major religious groups.

www.pewforum.org

If you have some different data, please share. Otherwise, maybe you should take your own advice.

Again, she was elected because she is in a very progressive district. Keith Ellison was every bit as bad as she is, if not even worse.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

I would say yes to petition HIS government.

His government is now your government.

Please understand that I cannot comment, and am not commenting, on the situation at Camp Atterbury I am merely pointing out that the misconceptions regarding firearms ownership and non-citizens.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Oh for God sake Kirk.
really. Come on man. Cheeseburger summit and serious discuss time.

Not starting a fight. But as many, many others on INGO have stated, I see no difference between the rights detailed in the Bill of Rights. Indeed, as the U.S. Supreme Court has stated there is no hierarchy built into the Bill of Rights. Agreeing with the Supreme Court as to this issue is not out of line in any way.

I cannot discuss Camp Atterbury. However, I can insist that the perception of the laws regarding firearms ownership and citizen status are askew on INGO. Perhaps I should make a thread.

I am down for a good cheeseburger any time, but let's make it after first weekend in October when they are weighing my happy backside and I have to be down 8 lbs by 2nd OCT.

 

[Cameramonkey]

His government is now your government.

Please understand that I cannot comment, and am not commenting, on the situation at Camp Atterbury I am merely pointing out that the misconceptions regarding firearms ownership and non-citizens.

Man, you sound like a lawyer or something. LOL

 

[Denny347]

Human rights Denny. To be expected no matter where we are.
not apples-apples.
this is about own/bear arms. We are going off a bit.

Most of what I was talking about was 4th Amendment territory. The original post was referring to 2nd Amendment. However, subsequently, the question was posed does the US Constitution apply to non-citizens. I was answering that question. In general, yes the US Constitution applies to ALL who find themselves within our boarders.

https://scholarship.law.georgetown.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1302&context=facpub

The 2nd Amendment question has been asked and answered in more detailed terms than what we have time to write here.

https://www.nyulawreview.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/NYULawReview-85-5-Gulasekaram.pdf

Does the 2nd Amendment Apply to Foreigners? Complete Guide - Ray Eppard | Christian Politics

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[injb]

So your OK with just anyone getting off a plane from God knows Where and being able to bypass everything we are held accountable to and buy a gun.
did I wake up in the ****ing “Twilight” zone for crap sake.
our own Gov vette’s us to through a 4473 and we have to be squeaky clean. So let’s just let these unknowns step around the rules in place and arm up.
yup. I hear Rod Sirling speaking in the background.

To be clear, are you actually saying you think that immigrants are exempt from filling out a 4473? The rules for immigrants buying guns are exactly the same as they are for citizens. But as for vetting, immigrants are vetted a lot more than you are and can be deported for things that would earn you no more than a slap on the wrist.

 

[MichaelZWilliamson]

Wow, there's a lot here.

"Atterbury range has to close because muh refugees might go on shooting sprees!" is textbook anti-gun bleating.

Especially as most terror attacks are not done with firearms.

"ZOMG, non citizens can buy guns?" Yes, my family and I were legal residents for 7 years before we became citizens, and I even enlisted in the US military in that timeframe. We owned guns. We paid taxes. We owned a house. We spoke American English.

And yes, while we were resident aliens it was made clear that anything from shoplifting to smoking a joint could be considered valid grounds to deny citizenship. It entirely depends on your immigration officer.

The Taliban hasn't committed any terror acts on US soil I'm aware of. They're happy to shag goats, abuse women, read their version of the Quran, and ignore the world. Al Qaida has committed a small amount of terrorism since Sep 11, but not very effectively.

There's little evidence of them sneaking out via refugees. They're happy to see the non-compliant go.

While there's certainly a concern here, it's on my list somewhere below my concern that "if the King of Spain's motorcade breaks down on the state road in front of my house, do I have enough saffron to make an emergency paella?"

Dearborn has a lot of Muslims, but isn't "Entirely" Muslim.

 

[injb]

Wow, there's a lot here.

"Atterbury range has to close because muh refugees might go on shooting sprees!" is textbook anti-gun bleating.

Especially as most terror attacks are not done with firearms.

"ZOMG, non citizens can buy guns?" Yes, my family and I were legal residents for 7 years before we became citizens, and I even enlisted in the US military in that timeframe. We owned guns. We paid taxes. We owned a house. We spoke American English.

And yes, while we were resident aliens it was made clear that anything from shoplifting to smoking a joint could be considered valid grounds to deny citizenship. It entirely depends on your immigration officer.

The Taliban hasn't committed any terror acts on US soil I'm aware of. They're happy to shag goats, abuse women, read their version of the Quran, and ignore the world. Al Qaida has committed a small amount of terrorism since Sep 11, but not very effectively.

There's little evidence of them sneaking out via refugees. They're happy to see the non-compliant go.

While there's certainly a concern here, it's on my list somewhere below my concern that "if the King of Spain's motorcade breaks down on the state road in front of my house, do I have enough saffron to make an emergency paella?"

Dearborn has a lot of Muslims, but isn't "Entirely" Muslim.

I see your point, but the thing about saffron is, you really only need the tiniest amount! Just a little pinch will usually do it.

 

[BigRed]

Wow, there's a lot here.

"Atterbury range has to close because muh refugees might go on shooting sprees!" is textbook anti-gun bleating.

Especially as most terror attacks are not done with firearms.

"ZOMG, non citizens can buy guns?" Yes, my family and I were legal residents for 7 years before we became citizens, and I even enlisted in the US military in that timeframe. We owned guns. We paid taxes. We owned a house. We spoke American English.

And yes, while we were resident aliens it was made clear that anything from shoplifting to smoking a joint could be considered valid grounds to deny citizenship. It entirely depends on your immigration officer.

The Taliban hasn't committed any terror acts on US soil I'm aware of. They're happy to shag goats, abuse women, read their version of the Quran, and ignore the world. Al Qaida has committed a small amount of terrorism since Sep 11, but not very effectively.

There's little evidence of them sneaking out via refugees. They're happy to see the non-compliant go.

While there's certainly a concern here, it's on my list somewhere below my concern that "if the King of Spain's motorcade breaks down on the state road in front of my house, do I have enough saffron to make an emergency paella?"

Dearborn has a lot of Muslims, but isn't "Entirely" Muslim.

Regardless, Dearborn is a **** hole.