Is American Decline Reversible?

[Ingomike]

The reasons.

1. Uncontrollable U.S. Debt
2. Low student achievement
3. Increasing income and wealth inequality
4. Loss of American identity and patriotism
5. Widespread belief that our political system is broken

Five reasons American decline appears irreversible - Liberty Unyielding

Republican presidential candidates often warn that America is declining, and that only they can stop its demise. Former President Donald Trump believes that the national decline halted during his term in office and will stop again when he is reelected. But five unmistakable signs of American...

libertyunyielding.com

 

[Lpherr]

IMO, we are lost.
With what we have graduating from these woke institutions and their ideals, our path is downward.
There aren't enough people willing to sacrifice, to get things turned around.

We are all receiving the blue D, whether we want it or not.

 

[model1994]

a buddy & I were just talking about such topics. we tried staying away from specific issues and discuss the comprehensive issues and solutions that are broad in scope.

to me, a simple idea but complicated execution would be to revamp AmeriCorps to be, or create all-new, a modern Civilian Conservation Corps. Give young folks and local people a purpose, teach invaluable skills, build community culture, repair/restore our infrastructure & public lands, etc etc etc

i commend the often-criticized politicians who at least speak on this idea, as I think it’s past the point of necessity.

 

[MCgrease08]

The dismantling of the nation and mass indoctrination at universities happened over two or three generations. If we have the appetite to turn things around, it could theoretically be done in the same amount of time.

The question is, how do we cut out the rot to the point of being able to rebuild the foundation?

 

[Tryin']

Not without severe calamity. Easy times create weak men. These are the easiest times in the history of human civilization.

 

[jwamplerusa]

I chose bacon.

My more pessimistic side was saying no, my optimistic side wanted to say yes. That is unusual as SWMBO'd is convinced that I am the little dark cloud.

I do believe it is possible to turn things around without the country entirely cratering into 5th generation warfare. If we cannot recover it under the existing Constitution, freedom on this Earth will simply disappear. This experiment in self-government was always dependent upon an engaged citizenry willing and able to take up arms if necessary to protect their Liberty. That willingness has been subverted and diluted since before the turn of the 20th century. Today it is nearly extinguished for many of our citizens. It is not gone though.

This is one of the reasons I was so excited by Vivek Ramaswamy. Not only was his message on point but he was incredibly articulate and capable of not only explaining what was wrong but what needed to be done to fix it. Planting those ideas in the heads of a more youthful audience May well pay dividends in the future.

In the near term simply closing the borders, and reinvigorating the concept of rule of law in compliance with the Constitution would greatly change the trajectory of the nation. Expelling illegal immigrants, with the message that sends that lawlessness will not be tolerated, would be another keystone to restoring some semblance of constitutional compliance.

My personal assessment is that if elections are only minimally corrupt, today we are at the precipice of losing the United States of America. If election corruption is allowed to continue at the pace of 2020 then we are already gone.

The remaining critical hurdle is simply the monetary milestone that we have incurred. Utterly gutting the administrative state, retaining taxes where they are at, killing essentially all foreign payments including the UN, might allow the United States to pay down this debt quickly enough to avoid insolvency.

All of these things however have entered into extreme high risk territory with a low probability of happening. I was struck by something I saw on x last night. A journalist approached a middle eastern gentleman of military age to ask about his entering the country. Part of the response was "you will know who I am" in what I would consider a ominous response.

If widespread unrest, or worse terrorist incidents either driven by religious idealism or cartel activity occurs within the next two years we are probably done.

How do we turn it around? First start teaching America's actual history. Second insist that every citizen know and understand the Constitution and this nation's founding documents. Third start treating citizens as what they are, not subjects. That can be as simple as reminding every 17 year old male they are entering the militia and what the expectations are, and offering the opportunity to learn appropriate firearm safety and marksmanship as they enter into the unorganized militia. It would also help if the government stopped lying about the ability to protect the citizenry.

@model1994 also hit on a needed element. Public service needs to again be a part of attaining full citizenship. I am not advocating for military conscription, but rather some form of national service preferably away from one's home between graduation from high school or attaining the age of 18.

 

[spencer rifle]

Being of a "certain age," I was accustomed to look up into the sky for threats, (ICBMs), when the actual threats might be rot creeping up from my wallet (currency collapse and hopeless economic policy), AI making information trustworthiness almost impossible, and 7.62x39 incoming from street jihadis.

Every day I fervently pray I'm wrong and all my preparations are in vain, and that I'll die peacefully, surrounded by healthy, happy loved ones, instead of bleeding out alone in a snow-covered forest. We'll never know how often Divine Providence has already thwarted the plans of our enemies. But we can still free-will ourselves into oblivion.

Sometimes I'm thankful that I'm old enough to have not much left to lose.

 

[INP8riot]

The powers that be will stop at nothing to see their NWO through to the bitter end. America can not be defeated from outside. The inmates have over taken the assylum. I only see this getting worse. It will come time to choose a side.

Here's a little something I wrote a while ago that sums up what I see coming:


When people think of the collapse of society, they think of the evil that is to come. What they forget is that when the rule of law no longer applies and good men are not obligated to adhere to the skewed laws of man, the good men are the ones who should be feared.

Good men have much to risk during "normal" times. They see the evil around them and they see the failing justice system that allows evil to be released back onto the streets. The murderers, rapists, child molesters and all the other truly evil demons walking free. What can they do without sacrificing all the good they have in their lives? They can not enact biblical justice. Their hands are unfortunately tied by the ramifications of how modern society will percieve their actions. Without rule of law however, that risk is removed and so are "our" shackles.

We don't wear uniforms or take oaths to that of man. We solemnly swore to serve our Lord Jesus Christ. Being a christian does not mean being a pacifist and turning the other cheek as people may assume or have been led to believe based on current media or the way Jesus has been portrayed. It is true that Jesus was long suffering during his first coming. When he returns, his patience has run out and so has ours.

We live amongst the evil. We may seem unassuming and you don't know us. But we know you. Our eyes have been honed to spot you, our ears have been tuned to hear you and our teeth have been sharpened to defeat you. We are the sheep dogs of the greatest shepherd of all, Jesus Christ, and when the time comes, we will drive you from our neighborhoods by any means necessary. We will remove you, away from our families and loved ones.

So while most think the collapse is a time to fear evil, I say it is evil who should fear us.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

Wait...we're finally acknowledging that income and wealth inequality contribute to social decline in the US? INGO Hell must have frozen over, that's the sort of talk that got me labeled a socialist here in the past.

I wonder if there will be any introspection on how much personal contribution people have to the Balkanization of the US via #4 and #5 here? I doubt it, but I'm still recovering from my fainting spell over #3 being acknowledged.

 

[spencer rifle]

Wait...we're finally acknowledging that income and wealth inequality contribute to social decline in the US? INGO Hell must have frozen over, that's the sort of talk that got me labeled a socialist here in the past.

I wonder if there will be any introspection on how much personal contribution people have to the Balkanization of the US via #4 and #5 here? I doubt it, but I'm still recovering from my fainting spell over #3 being acknowledged.

Well, the city with the greatest income inequality in the country is right here in Indiana.

 

[firecadet613]

Well, the city with the greatest income inequality in the country is right here in Indiana.

What city is that?

 

[spencer rifle]

What city is that?

Bloomington

 

[jbombelli]

Yes, but it would require a level of pain and sacrifice most people will simply be unwilling to endure.

 

[Twangbanger]

Wait...we're finally acknowledging that income and wealth inequality contribute to social decline in the US? INGO Hell must have frozen over, that's the sort of talk that got me labeled a socialist here in the past.

I wonder if there will be any introspection on how much personal contribution people have to the Balkanization of the US via #4 and #5 here? I doubt it, but I'm still recovering from my fainting spell over #3 being acknowledged.

Lighten up Francis. You weren't labeled a socialist because you "recognized" the problem. "Problem Identifiers" are a dime-a-dozen, and we all qualify. You were labeled a socialist because of _how_ you wanted to address the problem (eg. Universal Basic Income, or other stuff I probably forget).

People can agree on the problem, but differ with you if they think your solution pours gas on it.

 

[Tombs]

The reasons.

1. Uncontrollable U.S. Debt
2. Low student achievement
3. Increasing income and wealth inequality
4. Loss of American identity and patriotism
5. Widespread belief that our political system is broken

Five reasons American decline appears irreversible - Liberty Unyielding

Republican presidential candidates often warn that America is declining, and that only they can stop its demise. Former President Donald Trump believes that the national decline halted during his term in office and will stop again when he is reelected. But five unmistakable signs of American...

libertyunyielding.com

All of these problems would vanish if we wound up in a major war with a draft, so you can't say it's irreversible.

The road to get there has a few options, but that's really the only one that's going to do it in our lifetime.

There's another road, but it would also paint a clear path to victory for our opponents in the long term.

Wealth inequality would be a relatively simple one to solve in 3 steps:
1.) Trust bust
2.) No more imported goods
3.) Dropping minimum wage for a scale that determines tax rates for business based on the disparity between the top earners and bottom earners.

 

[Vodnik4]

Not without severe calamity. Easy times create weak men. These are the easiest times in the history of human civilization.

We lost a cause to unite us and drive us as a nation. Hunger, religion or survival are strong motivations.

As tough as Israel has it, surrounded on all sides by people who want to destroy it, every man woman and child there is dang sure why they exist and their children serve in the IDF.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

Lighten up Francis. You weren't labeled a socialist because you "recognized" the problem. "Problem Identifiers" are a dime-a-dozen, and we all qualify. You were labeled a socialist because of _how_ you wanted to address the problem (eg. Universal Basic Income, or other stuff I probably forget).

People can agree on the problem, but differ with you if they think your solution pours gas on it.

I had a lot of people here telling me it wasn't a problem at all, that a job was strictly between the applicant and the employer and society at large had no interest in the agreement. What business was it of yours to insert yourself? Just work harder and stop being poor and job creators. Now everyone is a problem identifier. Got it.

And, yeah, you forgot a lot of stuff. That's ok, it's all still here and I don't care to revisit it. I've long since stopped giving a **** about changing anyone's mind online. Just finding my own amusement on the about faces occurring now.

 

[Ziggidy]

I think for a time we are doomed, but that does not mean we cannot change the direction in the future. There is allot of division, allot of tampering of the constitution, blatant disregard of laws and so much more. Regardless of who wins this year, we will see violence against mainstream patriots. If the left loses, they will be crazy violent against everyone, testing the patience of everyone. If the left wins, they will take it as a reason to do even more craziness. Either way, mainstream patriots will need to prepare.

I haver said it before. I care less about me but I am concerned with my family. We have left the world in shambles, we have no one except ourselves to blame.

We need to continue to pray.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

A single election cycle will not fix what’s wrong with this country. A Trump victory with coattails long enough to gain large majorities in both chambers might deflect the trajectory we’re on but history has shown a tri-vecta in DC spends most of its time spinning its wheels, capitulating to the democrats more times than not.

Personally, I grow ever more convinced we’re under a generational judgement.

 

[Tombs]

Personally, I grow ever more convinced we’re under a generational judgement.

A 20 year war for no readily apparent benefit will do that to any nation. Which is why it blows my mind to see so many people ready to dive right back into the sandbox for what ever reason they come up with on a given week.