Indianapolis Flock security camera opinions

[DirtRoadEvan]

One of my friends who is unfortunate enough to live within Marion county showed me a license plate reading camera that popped up in his yard yesterday without any kind of warning or notice. It looks like is a solar powered camera made by "Flock Security." In theory this helps find stolen cars and criminals on the loose, or potentially your grandmother who hasn't found her way home, but this does feel like a step towards some kind of orwellian future. You guys can let me know, maybe there's some tin foil under my hat, but it seems like these could be used for a lot more than reading license plates, especially when there is a large network of them all across the county.

Thoughts? Helpful tool for law enforcement or invasion of privacy?

 

[firecadet613]

One of my friends who is unfortunate enough to live within Marion county showed me a license plate reading camera that popped up in his yard yesterday without any kind of warning or notice. It looks like is a solar powered camera made by "Flock Security." In theory this helps find stolen cars and criminals on the loose, or potentially your grandmother who hasn't found her way home, but this does feel like a step towards some kind of orwellian future. You guys can let me know, maybe there's some tin foil under my hat, but it seems like these could be used for a lot more than reading license plates, especially when there is a large network of them all across the county.

Thoughts? Helpful tool for law enforcement or invasion of privacy?

They are all over the midwest. Look around as you're out and about. Interstate, country road or city street, you'll see them. Mostly around the county or city line...

I'm a bit surprised there isn't an uproar about them, but I doubt the sheeple know they are there and what they're for.

They will also capture and allow the law to search for license plate frames, stickers on your rear window, etc...

 

[Doug]

Another reason to never put stickers on your car. My car is gray even though it's white.

If you know, you know.

 

[dnurk]

They’re being promoted all over our area here in Zionsville and HOAs are being asked if they want to install hem. Fortunately my neighborhood said no.

we would have had to pay a fee to install and maintain cameras that absolutely have the ability to invade our privacy. No thanks.

 

[Denny347]

invasion of privacy?

How so?

 

[Dingleberry]

Well the excuse will be that "Well don't you want to help stop crime"?

But Americans are lazy and aloof so they will continue hand those rights away.


(No, not a cop hater)

 

[Denny347]

Well the excuse will be that "Well don't you want to help stop crime"?

But Americans are lazy and aloof so they will continue hand those rights away.


(No, not a cop hater)

Which right is being handed away?

 

[KellyinAvon]

They’re being promoted all over our area here in Zionsville and HOAs are being asked if they want to install hem. Fortunately my neighborhood said no.

we would have had to pay a fee to install and maintain cameras that absolutely have the ability to invade our privacy. No thanks.

HOAs? We have enough going on here with the landscaper and pond maintenance dude. I'm hoping for a speed bump in 2025.

Who brought this up? Why? Were they laughed out of the room?

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

In before the “if you’re not doing anything wrong, then you’ve got nothing to be afraid of…”

 

[Cameramonkey]

So how long before Flock monetizes the database ala gmail?

 

[Dingleberry]

Which right is being handed away?

I understand this helps you do your job and it's not a amendment rights violation, can you honestly say this isn't a invasion of privacy?
Let's say if you weren't a member of law enforcement???

 

[Dingleberry]

FLOCK is just a technologically advanced version of this without the delay of showing your papers.

 

[loudgroove]

Nashville Tn tried to put those up around town. The people fought back and won. I found out than that when you get caught doing something on a traffic camera in that state. You are not penalized anyway shape or form. Insurance won't be notified, no points off of your licenses, and you can't be turned over to a collection agency. But by law you are required to pay the fine. And you can be sued by the agency that owns and operates the cameras. And not long after that, I got busted for going under a red light. Got a ticket in the mail even stating all the above and a couple threatening letters. Then I moved back up here and had no problems getting my DL and tags transferred back. TN people don't like being spied on by any means. I would say that you should talk to your state senator or representative and see if you can get something done statewide.

 

[Creedmoor]

They’re being promoted all over our area here in Zionsville and HOAs are being asked if they want to install hem. Fortunately my neighborhood said no.

we would have had to pay a fee to install and maintain cameras that absolutely have the ability to invade our privacy. No thanks.

Im gonna go with, your in public.
You have zero expectations of privacyin public.

 

[Dingleberry]

Nashville Tn tried to put those up around town. The people fought back and won. I found out than that when you get caught doing something on a traffic camera in that state. You are not penalized anyway shape or form. Insurance won't be notified, no points off of your licenses, and you can't be turned over to a collection agency. But by law you are required to pay the fine. And you can be sued by the agency that owns and operates the cameras. And not long after that, I got busted for going under a red light. Got a ticket in the mail even stating all the above and a couple threatening letters. Then I moved back up here and had no problems getting my DL and tags transferred back. TN people don't like being spied on by any means. I would say that you should talk to your state senator or representative and see if you can get something done statewide.

As they should. My guess is FLOCK was introduced without the average taxpayer even knowing about them.

 

[loudgroove]

As they should. My guess is FLOCK was introduced without the average taxpayer even knowing about them.

And that is not right. We should know how our tax money is going to be spent. And something like that should be put on a ballot in my opinion.

 

[rosejm]

I've been mentioning this to INGO for a couple of years now.

These "private" cameras have popped up everywhere. They began on major roads near county lines, but quickly moved to nearly every major intersection.

You can be sure that they're being operated at a profit, and it's either your tax dollars or your data being monetized, or BOTH.


Now, I'm concerned that there has been little to no hue & cry but I have hope that a difference can be made. Perhaps they simply need signs attached to the posts to notify the public? Perhaps they need "costumes" that might cover the panel or camera (or BOTH).

 

[DeadeyeChrista'sdad]

In before the “if you’re not doing anything wrong, then you’ve got nothing to be afraid of…”

"Which right is being handed away?"

Too late

 

[Dingleberry]

"Which right is being handed away?"

Too late

So you are okay with agencies tracking your whereabouts?

 

[firecadet613]

Nashville Tn tried to put those up around town. The people fought back and won. I found out than that when you get caught doing something on a traffic camera in that state. You are not penalized anyway shape or form. Insurance won't be notified, no points off of your licenses, and you can't be turned over to a collection agency. But by law you are required to pay the fine. And you can be sued by the agency that owns and operates the cameras. And not long after that, I got busted for going under a red light. Got a ticket in the mail even stating all the above and a couple threatening letters. Then I moved back up here and had no problems getting my DL and tags transferred back. TN people don't like being spied on by any means. I would say that you should talk to your state senator or representative and see if you can get something done statewide.

The Flock cameras aren't for issuing citations. They aren't for running red lights or speeding. They are simply for building a searchable database of everyone's movements...