Indiana Constitutional Carry - HB1022 (2018)

[brucecrain]

We are T minus 31 until we commence OPERATION WRITE BOSMA II at the January 1500. In the meantime, concentrate all fire on the house speaker!! Except when supporting OPERATION WRITE DONNELLY in support of National Reciprocity.

How is the national reciprocity coming btw?

 

[brotherbill3]

Uhm ... If you happen to use FaceButt ... err book ... share this to help spread the word of the discussion today on HB - 1424 - the whole hoosier carry thing is a drag.
(and note - R.I.F. Reading Is Fundamental) ....

Founded and run by fellow INGOers ...

https://www.facebook.com/IndianaMomsAgainstGunControl/posts/1549195595172330

 

[KellyinAvon]

How is the national reciprocity coming btw?

Passed the US House. I'm not holding my breath that McConnell could get 50 votes for free ice cream, let alone 60.

 

[PistolPastor]

Do we think today’s school shooting is going to affect tomorrow’s vote?

 

[brotherbill3]

Passed the US House. I'm not holding my breath that McConnell could get 50 votes for free ice cream, let alone 60.

Since we're on the sidelines now ...
"... the control the house, the senate ... " whoa - wait a minute nelly - since we're not a "democracy" - control of the senate is 60, not 50. Derp ...
sorry been saying / repeating that for 3 days in a row now.

and Kelly is right otherwise. ... LOL ...

Now back to your regularly scheduled ... whatever.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Uhm ... If you happen to use FaceButt ... err book ... share this to help spread the word of the discussion today on HB - 1424 - the whole hoosier carry thing is a drag.
(and note - R.I.F. Reading Is Fundamental) ....

Founded and run by fellow INGOers ...

https://www.facebook.com/IndianaMomsAgainstGunControl/posts/1549195595172330

Hey Bill...I asked this question on your FB page:

If I read your comment correctly, if I have a LTCH, I will not be sighted for the misdemeanor if I don't have an ID? Is it still true if I have a LTCH I won't have to have it with me if I'm carrying?

 

[KellyinAvon]

Since we're on the sidelines now ...
"... the control the house, the senate ... " whoa - wait a minute nelly - since we're not a "democracy" - control of the senate is 60, not 50. Derp ...
sorry been saying / repeating that for 3 days in a row now.

and Kelly is right otherwise. ... LOL ...

Now back to your regularly scheduled ... whatever.

Since they rarely actually filibuster anymore (listening to Sheets Byrd talk about his wife making him take out the trash and his dog is probably why they went this route) the 60 threshold will be needed on HR 38 IIRC. They'd break out in free ice cream caucuses: butter pecan, chocolate, french vanilla, regular vanilla,

 

[sidewinder27]

We been warning about the potential for a "Compromise Carry" bill since the summer study committee was created last spring.

“Compromise Carry” is a permit-less carry bill, like “Constitutional Carry” but with gun control added.

Well now it is here, HB 1424, and it is scheduled for a hearing in the House Public Policy Committee tomorrow. While this bill is technically permit-less carry it has several problems:

HB 1424 contains mental health provisions that can cost law-abiding gun owners the loss of their gun rights WITHOUT due process. The language may even be more broad than Obama's Veterans and Social Security gun bans.

There are also provisions concerning protective orders where anyone, not just household members, could get a protective order entered by a judge at a secret hearing that you are not even aware of that would suspend your right to carry.

The state will still require you to carry a state ID at all times when carrying a firearm, and will penalize law-abiding gun owners for no other reason than failing to do so.

As-is if HB 1424 is passed, Indiana would become a “Constitutional Carry” state, but perhaps the most restrictive state of any that have passed it so far.

HB 1424 MUST be fixed before it leaves committee.

Call Rep. Tim Wesco, the bill's author and Vice-Chairman of the Public Policy committee, and tell him we want Constitutional Carry WITHOUT COMPROMISE; fix the bill before voting it out of committee.

Then contact Rep. Ben Smaltz, the Public Policy Chairman and a co-author on the bill, and tell him the same.

Tim Wesco: (Author of the bill, Vice-Chairman of committee)
(317) 232-9753 - h21@iga.in.gov

Ben Smaltz: (Co-Author of the bill, Chairman of committee)
(317) 232-9850 - h52@iga.in.gov

Once you have called please consider chipping in $5 or $10 to help us mobilize more gun owners to pass pro-gun legislation like Constititonal Carry and keep gun control, like state versions of Obama's social security and veteran's gun bans from becoming law.

In Liberty,

Michael Thomas

P.S. Tim Wesco and Ben Smaltz's "Compromise Carry" bill, HB 1424, is scheduled for a hearing and a vote TOMORROW. It is important to call Tim Wesco (317) 232-9850 and Ben Smaltz (317) 232-9753[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif] and tell them to fix the bill before voting it out of committee.[/FONT]

[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]I can't support this bill if Hoosier Carry is correct.[/FONT]

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]I can't support this bill if Hoosier Carry is correct.[/FONT]

Brother, go back to post 160 or about 10 hours ago and start reading. This has been debunked by some folks that have been doing some digging.

 

[brotherbill3]

Brother, go back to post 160 or about 10 hours ago and start reading. This has been debunked by some folks that have been doing some digging.

And Shared all over the internet, / FB - and in at least 2 threads here. ...

 

[KellyinAvon]

We been warning about the potential for a "Compromise Carry" bill since the summer study committee was created last spring.

“Compromise Carry” is a permit-less carry bill, like “Constitutional Carry” but with gun control added.

Well now it is here, HB 1424, and it is scheduled for a hearing in the House Public Policy Committee tomorrow. While this bill is technically permit-less carry it has several problems:

HB 1424 contains mental health provisions that can cost law-abiding gun owners the loss of their gun rights WITHOUT due process. The language may even be more broad than Obama's Veterans and Social Security gun bans.

There are also provisions concerning protective orders where anyone, not just household members, could get a protective order entered by a judge at a secret hearing that you are not even aware of that would suspend your right to carry.

The state will still require you to carry a state ID at all times when carrying a firearm, and will penalize law-abiding gun owners for no other reason than failing to do so.

As-is if HB 1424 is passed, Indiana would become a “Constitutional Carry” state, but perhaps the most restrictive state of any that have passed it so far.

HB 1424 MUST be fixed before it leaves committee.

Call Rep. Tim Wesco, the bill's author and Vice-Chairman of the Public Policy committee, and tell him we want Constitutional Carry WITHOUT COMPROMISE; fix the bill before voting it out of committee.

Then contact Rep. Ben Smaltz, the Public Policy Chairman and a co-author on the bill, and tell him the same.

Tim Wesco: (Author of the bill, Vice-Chairman of committee)
(317) 232-9753 - h21@iga.in.gov

Ben Smaltz: (Co-Author of the bill, Chairman of committee)
(317) 232-9850 - h52@iga.in.gov

Once you have called please consider chipping in $5 or $10 to help us mobilize more gun owners to pass pro-gun legislation like Constititonal Carry and keep gun control, like state versions of Obama's social security and veteran's gun bans from becoming law.

In Liberty,

Michael Thomas

P.S. Tim Wesco and Ben Smaltz's "Compromise Carry" bill, HB 1424, is scheduled for a hearing and a vote TOMORROW. It is important to call Tim Wesco (317) 232-9850 and Ben Smaltz (317) 232-9753 and tell them to fix the bill before voting it out of committee.

I can't support this bill if Hoosier Carry is correct.

They ain't.

 

[d.kaufman]

To those heading to the hearing this morning, Thank You

 

[brotherbill3]

Anyone there? KellyinAvon?
I heard on FB that Guy was going.

I was going to try, but work weather and traffic have conspired against me getting there. So I just got it up on line to listen.

Looks like still on the alcohol bill that was 1st on the agenda.

 

[dchuck]

Link to live... Running now...

https://iga.in.gov/legislative/2018/meeting/watchlive/d13e682b-c51d-4784-9517-63bf05d466b5/

 

[brotherbill3]

OK Amendment 5 ...
But it isn't posted on-line

"scraps bill; Changes 4 yr to 5 yr - has fees; Lifetime is free; NICS check waived with 5 yrs Permit" ...

I think we got bait and switched.
It sounds like LTCH requirement to carry is now retained.


GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.

 

[cbhausen]

WTF???

 

[d.kaufman]

OK Amendment 5 ...
But it isn't posted on-line

"scraps bill; Changes 4 yr to 5 yr - has fees; Lifetime is free; NICS check waived with 5 yrs Permit" ...

I think we got bait and switched.
It sounds like LTCH requirement to carry is now retained.


GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.

Sounds like bs to me!

 

[brotherbill3]

Pres of IN Sheriff Assoc is there and just offered support for this "amendment 5" bill ... which still isn't on line but was handed out at the hearing.

 

[brotherbill3]

KellyInAvon - is there guess we'll get a better update later.

 

[cbhausen]

No video... in recess?