High end rifle. AR or AK?

[kawtech87]

I've been away for a bit enjoying time with my newborn son and come back to find this place pretty much the same. Lots of arguments and thread derails and familiar names posting familiar stuff. And some new ones too.

Anyway glad you all haven't changed for better or worse

I'm thinking about picking up a truly Gucci tier off the shelf rifle. Why? Because I want one and I don't have time to build one right now. But I'm a little concerned about quality of the stuff being put out right now. Is it really up to standard or are they just pumping stuff out in a hurry to make money? I've read where Wilson Combat is putting out Protector models that don't have the parts spec'd on their website and still charging 2k for the rifle. Inferior BCGs, shorter rails, poorly fitted receivers and so on. Geissele seems to have hit and miss reviews too. DD is still pumping out M4V7s but I'm wondering about the quality. If any one has any info on current quality of these guns please post it up. Thanks

Brands I'm looking at are:
Geissele
Daniel Defense
Wilson Combat
ADM
POF
NEMO

Or I may just say screw it and get an ARSENAL SAM7R-61

Thoughts?

 

[Tactically Fat]

Ask yourself: What kind of ammo was WAY more available (all be it 2-3x more expensive than normal) during this current ammo shortage?

Get the Gucci rifle that'll shoot that stuff.

 

[indykid]

You don't even list the one true high-end AK variant, the Poly Tech series. Whether the AK Type 3 style Legend or the AKM version, the AKS-762 they are considered among if not the best ever imported into the land of shall not be infringed.

 

[IUKalash429]

If my avatar didn't give it away, my vote would be for the SAM. I have one myself and it's a damn fine weapon. ARs bore me to tears but that's just me. How are you sitting on x39 ammo and mags? Investing in a new gun is one thing, but investing in a new caliber of ammo and accessories can add quite a heft to that investment.

Also, any consideration for the Galil ACE? You can get them in 7.62x39, 7.62x51, 5.56, and now 5.45. They are the bees knees in terms of fit and finish, reliability, and accuracy.

 

[kawtech87]

I'm actually pretty well set on mags and ammo for both rifles. This wouldn't be a first for me on either. Just the first entry into the upper echelons of ARs. I have a SAM7-SF but honestly hate the side folding stock. Also have a couple Veprs including the FM-11. So not my first "high end" AK. But AKs are a PITA to customize everything has to be fitted and trimmed to that specific rifle and it's fun and all but I'm over it. ARs everything snaps together fairly easily.

 

[kawtech87]

Galil ACE is an also want. But can't find them anywhere. A buddy of mine has one it's pretty sweet

Forgot to mention BCM in the OP but they are nowhere to be found

 

[knutty]

I own and enjoy many of both. I will never buy a new Arsenal again, the price is not worth it. I would look at the Galil ACE for a high end 7.62x39 rifle.

Gucci AR? KAC or LMT MWS. Accept no substitute.

 

[venenoindy]

I have many brands of AR and if I have to have two brands would be BCM and LWRC, both excellent quality without the GUCCI prices. both while simple the materials and components are high quality and would not hesitate to use them to save my life. this is just my opinion and I'm not an expert, I do want to buy an AK in the future as the 7.62X39 was available at all times so will wait until I see prices down to earth. Im learning about the AK so can't give a suggestion on those due to the market and availability.

 

[Dean C.]

I have many brands of AR and if I have to have two brands would be BCM and LWRC, both excellent quality without the GUCCI prices. both while simple the materials and components are high quality and would not hesitate to use them to save my life. this is just my opinion and I'm not an expert, I do want to buy an AK in the future as the 7.62X39 was available at all times so will wait until I see prices down to earth. Im learning about the AK so can't give a suggestion on those due to the market and availability.

Agree add LWRC to the list , my IC-Di is an absolute fantastic rifle. I have seen them around $1,600-$1,800 and they appear to be the same as ever.

 

[DadSmith]

No LaRue Tactical fan's?
They make some very nice rifles also.

 

[firefighterjohn]

Galil ACE is an also want. But can't find them anywhere. A buddy of mine has one it's pretty sweet

Forgot to mention BCM in the OP but they are nowhere to be found

There's a really nice BCM Recce 11 in the INGO classifieds now...just sayin...

https://www.indianagunowners.com/threads/bcm-recce-11-mcmr.508636/

 

[DadSmith]

Go with the ak. Ammo is cheaper and they ar more reliable than ARs


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That depends on who made it and the magazines you use. Not all ak47 are alike. There are junk AK47 out there.

 

[Tyler-The-Piker]

 

[Expat]

No LaRue Tactical fan's?
They make some very nice rifles also.

Larue uppers went on sale today... $699.
I have too many ARs now but might get one of these.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

None of you have said LMT, and I am sad.

 

[JEBland]

None of you have said LMT, and I am sad.

I guess after this PhD I gotta go get a JD so my feelings won't be hurt seeing the prices for their MARS .308s.

 

[Lock n Load]

I believe that my Noveske rifles and my newly acquired Giessele Super Duty ODG are well worth the money. I didnt pay full retail though. BCM makes a great rifle at their price point.

Some of the AKs (preban Norincos/ Polytechs etc) have gone up so much that they are more for collections than range rifles.

And dont buy into the old "AKs are more reliable BS".

 

[hvacrguy]

Sons of Liberty Gun Works and Centurion Arms

 

[IUKalash429]

@kawtech87 if you're still considering an ACE, I've seen some retailers with the newly issued second-gen models in stock. In both 7.62x39 and 5.56.

 

[Leo]

Please don't take this wrong in any way.

Having seen the truly high quality rifles, like Weatherby rifles that were custom built by Roy Weatherby himself, or fine double rifles made by James Purdy & Sons. Even the "F" grade Winchester products with wood that you could think worthy of an altar in heaven. I have seen Fabbri shotguns that took $250,000 down payment. Some of the old school Sauer high end rifles were fantastic workmanship and detail.

It is hard for me to think of bent sheet metal or cast aluminum and plastic combat rifles as "high end". I really do understand that they can be made to shoot accurately and perform well but they cannot hide their combat rifle roots.