Greenwood mall shooting

[Keith_Indy]

A single 4chan posting, on the very afternoon that he performed his attack? Yeah, that passes the smell test...

yeah, have my doubts too, but full reporting and all that...

 

[BigRed]

Rookie handlers.

 

[dusty88]

A single 4chan posting, on the very afternoon that he performed his attack? Yeah, that passes the smell test...

Maybe I'm a little dense but I don't understand your implication.

 

[chipbennett]

Maybe I'm a little dense but I don't understand your implication.

It's way too convenient for narrative architects, and if he truly harbored such sentiments, would they not have revealed themselves in some manner prior to the very afternoon he committed his atrocity?

 

[dusty88]

I think about the current young generation. Plenty of them are obviously great young men and women. But they have serious coping problems and a high suicide rate.

There are certainly more broken families than there were a few decades ago. However, plenty of men raised by single moms are also good people.

My own father (now 89 this week) has been a wonderful husband and father to his wife and 4 kids. However, HIS father was a hardcore alcoholic. One of the few memories my dad has shared of my grandfather was finding him lying on the floor with a bottle on several occasions. My grandfather and grandmother divorced when my dad was young; that's no small thing in the 1940s. Grandma did eventually marry another man but he and my father didn't get along.
A big difference though from some situations: my great grandfather (Grandma's dad) was a father figure to my father. Dad and Grandma lived with her parents for a few years.

I've seen data that the modern USA is unique globally in that so many people move away from the area we were born in. That migration may be great for economic growth. But it may break up the large core family and neighborhood structures.

I saw quite an example of this with 2 funerals this year. One was my mothers' funeral in small town Illinois. She wasn't any sort of community figure. Just a local mom. Most of her friends and siblings proceeded her in death. But the funeral home was crowded, largely with friends of us 4 kids and neighbors and their kids.
Another funeral: a friend of ours who was wealthy. He was a retired senior VP of 2 Fortune 500 companies. Widely traveled, moved a lot. We flew to his funeral because we wanted to support his spouse (long story of our connection to him, but he was a longtime partner of my deceased SIL). He was a good guy. 16 people at his funeral including his 2 children and his financial advisor. His surviving spouse has 2 adult children that each live in different states.

How much does lack of community support have to do with mental issues in the younger generation?
How many of you who did not have a great father, had someone else who filled that role?

 

[Dean Weingarten]

It's way too convenient for narrative architects, and if he truly harbored such sentiments, would they not have revealed themselves in some manner prior to the very afternoon he committed his atrocity?

Not if he was aware of the constant monitoring and archiving of such sentiments.

Remember the cooked laptop and drowned phone. When those have been subjected to forensic analysis, we may know more.

 

[Dean Weingarten]

I think about the current young generation. Plenty of them are obviously great young men and women. But they have serious coping problems and a high suicide rate.

There are certainly more broken families than there were a few decades ago. However, plenty of men raised by single moms are also good people.

My own father (now 89 this week) has been a wonderful husband and father to his wife and 4 kids. However, HIS father was a hardcore alcoholic. One of the few memories my dad has shared of my grandfather was finding him lying on the floor with a bottle on several occasions. My grandfather and grandmother divorced when my dad was young; that's no small thing in the 1940s. Grandma did eventually marry another man but he and my father didn't get along.
A big difference though from some situations: my great grandfather (Grandma's dad) was a father figure to my father. Dad and Grandma lived with her parents for a few years.

I've seen data that the modern USA is unique globally in that so many people move away from the area we were born in. That migration may be great for economic growth. But it may break up the large core family and neighborhood structures.

I saw quite an example of this with 2 funerals this year. One was my mothers' funeral in small town Illinois. She wasn't any sort of community figure. Just a local mom. Most of her friends and siblings proceeded her in death. But the funeral home was crowded, largely with friends of us 4 kids and neighbors and their kids.
Another funeral: a friend of ours who was wealthy. He was a retired senior VP of 2 Fortune 500 companies. Widely traveled, moved a lot. We flew to his funeral because we wanted to support his spouse (long story of our connection to him, but he was a longtime partner of my deceased SIL). He was a good guy. 16 people at his funeral including his 2 children and his financial advisor. His surviving spouse has 2 adult children that each live in different states.

How much does lack of community support have to do with mental issues in the younger generation?
How many of you who did not have a great father, had someone else who filled that role?

You make very interesting points. There is also the phenomena of online/long distance communities and connections. What part do they play or not play?

It is a Brave New World... pun intended.

 

[chipbennett]

I think about the current young generation. Plenty of them are obviously great young men and women. But they have serious coping problems and a high suicide rate.

There are certainly more broken families than there were a few decades ago. However, plenty of men raised by single moms are also good people.

My own father (now 89 this week) has been a wonderful husband and father to his wife and 4 kids. However, HIS father was a hardcore alcoholic. One of the few memories my dad has shared of my grandfather was finding him lying on the floor with a bottle on several occasions. My grandfather and grandmother divorced when my dad was young; that's no small thing in the 1940s. Grandma did eventually marry another man but he and my father didn't get along.
A big difference though from some situations: my great grandfather (Grandma's dad) was a father figure to my father. Dad and Grandma lived with her parents for a few years.

I've seen data that the modern USA is unique globally in that so many people move away from the area we were born in. That migration may be great for economic growth. But it may break up the large core family and neighborhood structures.

I saw quite an example of this with 2 funerals this year. One was my mothers' funeral in small town Illinois. She wasn't any sort of community figure. Just a local mom. Most of her friends and siblings proceeded her in death. But the funeral home was crowded, largely with friends of us 4 kids and neighbors and their kids.
Another funeral: a friend of ours who was wealthy. He was a retired senior VP of 2 Fortune 500 companies. Widely traveled, moved a lot. We flew to his funeral because we wanted to support his spouse (long story of our connection to him, but he was a longtime partner of my deceased SIL). He was a good guy. 16 people at his funeral including his 2 children and his financial advisor. His surviving spouse has 2 adult children that each live in different states.

How much does lack of community support have to do with mental issues in the younger generation?
How many of you who did not have a great father, had someone else who filled that role?

100% agree on the real, underlying issues causing our societal problems: loss of shared morality, loss of sanctity of life, and a pandemic of absentee fathers.

 

[chipbennett]

Not if he was aware of the constant monitoring and archiving of such sentiments.

Remember the cooked laptop and drowned phone. When those have been subjected to forensic analysis, we may know more.

So, I'm an engineer, not a psychologist (or doctor, or lawyer, etc.). This line of thinking may be entirely wrong. If someone were to commit such an act, and were doing so because of screwed up beliefs, why would they try to hide those beliefs? Don't such actors generally try to broadcast those beliefs (via manifesto, etc.)?

 

[tcecil88]

Playing devils advocate… FBI agent is on internet talking to him and egging him on, and so fourth and so fourth. FBI monitoring situation, then in there minds when he is about to commit the crime or they have enough in him they arrest him and save the day as heroes. Remember Michigans Governor????? This time shooter jumped to fast, or said he was moving in to do it and oooops… FBI was on vacation and ooops didn’t see it quick enough to stop it…. Well at least they got all the evidence. Who knows ….. ?? We could do this all day and it’s a shame we have FBI that can’t be trusted unless your a total fool these days.

Had a similar situation here around Cincinnati. FBI was working a nut job on line who was going to Washington to shoot up the Capital Building. They knew when and where he was going to buy his weapons, which was Point Blank West, now Range USA on the west side of Cincinnati. They allowed the purchase to take place and then took him into custody as he was exiting the store with no shots fired. There is something to the "FBI Handler" theory.
Below is a link to the Reuters article. I am a member at that particular Range USA and knew the manager at the time. He said the FBI was in contact with the store too and they were told to not impede the sale and that they would arrest the suspect outside the store.

Judge denies bail to man accused of plotting U.S. Capitol attack

A U.S. judge ruled on Friday that an Ohio man charged with plotting to attack the U.S. Capitol with guns and bombs be held without bail after prosecutors said he posed a threat to national security.

www.reuters.com

 

[chipbennett]

Had a similar situation here around Cincinnati. FBI was working a nut job on line who was going to Washington to shoot up the Capital Building. They knew when and where he was going to buy his weapons, which was Point Blank West, now Range USA on the west side of Cincinnati. They allowed the purchase to take place and then took him into custody as he was exiting the store with no shots fired. There is something to the "FBI Handler" theory. Below is a link to the Reuters article. I am a member at that particular Range USA and knew the manager at the time. He said the FBI was in contact with the store too and they were told to not impede the sale and that they would arrest the suspect outside the store.

Judge denies bail to man accused of plotting U.S. Capitol attack

A U.S. judge ruled on Friday that an Ohio man charged with plotting to attack the U.S. Capitol with guns and bombs be held without bail after prosecutors said he posed a threat to national security.

www.reuters.com

I used to shoot there on occasion, when it was Point Blank.

 

[tcecil88]

I used to shoot there on occasion, when it was Point Blank.

I might have seen you there and not even known it then. I have been a member there since '13 or '14.

 

[chipbennett]

I might have seen you there and not even known it then. I have been a member there since '13 or '14.

It would mostly have been when we lived in Sharonville - so around 12 - 14. So, maybe!

 

[MinuteManMike]

Had a similar situation here around Cincinnati. FBI was working a nut job on line who was going to Washington to shoot up the Capital Building. They knew when and where he was going to buy his weapons, which was Point Blank West, now Range USA on the west side of Cincinnati. They allowed the purchase to take place and then took him into custody as he was exiting the store with no shots fired. There is something to the "FBI Handler" theory.
Below is a link to the Reuters article. I am a member at that particular Range USA and knew the manager at the time. He said the FBI was in contact with the store too and they were told to not impede the sale and that they would arrest the suspect outside the store.

Judge denies bail to man accused of plotting U.S. Capitol attack

A U.S. judge ruled on Friday that an Ohio man charged with plotting to attack the U.S. Capitol with guns and bombs be held without bail after prosecutors said he posed a threat to national security.

www.reuters.com

That's pretty sick. Allow an illegal sale to go through so you have an excuse to arrest, instead of letting the system do what it was supposed to. Then they probably tried to strong-arm him into being an informant or some other manner of stooge.

Sounds like they want easy arrests instead of bothering to put effort into finding real criminals.

F the FBI with a chainsaw. They only solve crimes they create.

 

[Dean Weingarten]

So, I'm an engineer, not a psychologist (or doctor, or lawyer, etc.). This line of thinking may be entirely wrong. If someone were to commit such an act, and were doing so because of screwed up beliefs, why would they try to hide those beliefs? Don't such actors generally try to broadcast those beliefs (via manifesto, etc.)?

They may want to broadcast those beliefs after the deed is done. They would certainly want to keep them secure before the deed is done, so as to maintain operational security.

An important consideration is many of these people are mentally ill, and not thinking as normal person is. This killer wanted to commit suicide, as is obvious from the photograph he posted online, showing himself with his own pistol to his own head.

But, he wanted to go out in a "blaze of glory" killing as many as possible, in order to achieve a sort of immortality in history.

It is somewhat different than purely ideological killers. Of those, the Muslims are most likely to wish to die during their attacks, because of the guarantee to achieve paradise while doing so.

Communists and other Leftists such as National Socialists are not so known to desire death while achieving their goals, as they are often atheists who do not believe in an afterlife.

 

[Cameramonkey]

Communists and other Leftists such as National Socialists are not so known to desire death while achieving their goals, as they are often atheists who do not believe in an afterlife.

But if you dont believe in an afterlife (good or bad), and your current life sucks so bad you want to end the pain, you may welcome death as an end to the current pain.

 

[nonobaddog]

They may want to broadcast those beliefs after the deed is done. They would certainly want to keep them secure before the deed is done, so as to maintain operational security.

An important consideration is many of these people are mentally ill, and not thinking as normal person is.

Since they are not thinking normally, how do you know what they are thinking with such certainty?

 

[SheepDog4Life]

That's pretty sick. Allow an illegal sale to go through so you have an excuse to arrest, instead of letting the system do what it was supposed to. Then they probably tried to strong-arm him into being an informant or some other manner of stooge.

Sounds like they want easy arrests instead of bothering to put effort into finding real criminals.

F the FBI with a chainsaw. They only solve crimes they create.

Interesting how two people can read the same thing as interpret it completely differently.

I read "do not impede" as this guy is a whack job who might set off your "spidey sense" to refuse to sell him anything.

You took it as proceed with an illegal sale to an improper person who returns denied on the NICS.

No idea which it actually was, just interesting in the different interpretations.

 

[nonobaddog]

Interesting how two people can read the same thing as interpret it completely differently.

I read "do not impede" as this guy is a whack job who might set off your "spidey sense" to refuse to sell him anything.

You took it as proceed with an illegal sale to an improper person who returns denied on the NICS.

No idea which it actually was, just interesting in the different interpretations.

If the FBI were playing by the book (I know - ) they would have put the information on this guy into the system and he would have failed the NICS check and no gun would be sold.

Instead they do just the opposite and tell the store to sell him the gun.

It says that in fairly plain English.

 

[printcraft]

You just know those anti's are combing Dickens social media for SOMETHING to try to screw him with.

ATTENTION ANTI'S:
PRINTCRAFT SAYS SUCK A FAT ROD!