Greenwood mall shooting

[Keith_Indy]

Maybe we should petition Gov Holcomb to bestow upon Eli the Sagamore of the Wabash.

Congressional Medal of Honor.

SINGLE ACT OF HEROISM AWARD​

Recognizes Americans who accomplish extraordinary feats of heroism by risking their lives for the benefit of others in a dire situation.

Citizen Honors Awards | Apply, Nominate | CMOHS

www.cmohs.org

Needs address and phone number of recipient. When things settle down, maybe someone can contact Guy and see what we can do to push this forward.

 

[radar8756]

Maybe we should petition Gov Holcomb to bestow upon Eli the Sagamore of the Wabash.

Had to look that up

sagamore of the wabash

 

[Cameramonkey]

Those are live rounds. One of the rounds he took to the chest went through one of the mags on his chest, spilling a bunch of live rounds.

That hit sounds more painful than most.
That would be one helluva OODA loop reset.

 

[wtburnette]

Looking at what Chief Ison said on the interviews I watched, I did not see him say Gomez was armed. I saw him say the killer had a pistol but did not have time to use it.

This will get cleared up, but the reporting that Gomez was armed seems from early on the 18th or on the 19th, and no further confirmation I can find. I have not seen a clear quote from Chief Ison or anyone else mention that Gomez was armed.

This isn't directed at you, but I'm unclear why this matters? The guy was heading into the bathroom while the shooter was coming out, probably with the rifle raised ready to rock. Even if the guy was carrying, he very likely would not have had time to draw, or even react in any way. The guy was surprised and the scumbag ended his life with no chance for him to do anything. Whether he was carrying or not was completely beside the point.

 

[bobzilla]

This isn't directed at you, but I'm unclear why this matters? The guy was heading into the bathroom while the shooter was coming out, probably with the rifle raised ready to rock. Even if the guy was carrying, he very likely would not have had time to draw, or even react in any way. The guy was surprised and the scumbag ended his life with no chance for him to do anything. Whether he was carrying or not was completely beside the point.

Add the fact that most of the facts that Dean here has provided were wrong, I now understand why our media sucks so bad. He's supposed to be a pro-2A journalist and half his information is incorrect or flat out wrong.

 

[Cameramonkey]

This isn't directed at you, but I'm unclear why this matters? The guy was heading into the bathroom while the shooter was coming out, probably with the rifle raised ready to rock. Even if the guy was carrying, he very likely would not have had time to draw, or even react in any way. The guy was surprised and the scumbag ended his life with no chance for him to do anything. Whether he was carrying or not was completely beside the point.

Because antis are using this as an excuse why carrying is silly to them. “He was armed and it didn’t save him” that was actually said to me.

They literally are taking this textbook case of why we should and trying to poke any holes they can to claim it’s still not the right thing to do. (EDC)

 

[wtburnette]

Because antis are using this as an excuse why carrying is silly to them. “He was armed and it didn’t save him” that was actually said to me.

They literally are taking this textbook case of why we should and trying to poke any holes they can to claim it’s still not the right thing to do. (EDC)

Not sure how they can say that when Eli proved them wrong beyond all doubt. Of course, the Left doesn't understand two things can be true at once, that carrying can and can't save you, depending on circumstance.

 

[dusty88]

This isn't directed at you, but I'm unclear why this matters? The guy was heading into the bathroom while the shooter was coming out, probably with the rifle raised ready to rock. Even if the guy was carrying, he very likely would not have had time to draw, or even react in any way. The guy was surprised and the scumbag ended his life with no chance for him to do anything. Whether he was carrying or not was completely beside the point.

I agree that it isn't any difference in the reality that he likely got surprised, and it gives no comfort To his family or friends. I merely shared it as an anecdotal piece of information that there are more people at the mall carrying.

 

[Keith_Indy]

Looking at what Chief Ison said on the interviews I watched, I did not see him say Gomez was armed. I saw him say the killer had a pistol but did not have time to use it.

This will get cleared up, but the reporting that Gomez was armed seems from early on the 18th or on the 19th, and no further confirmation I can find. I have not seen a clear quote from Chief Ison or anyone else mention that Gomez was armed.

Greenwood mall shooting

For what it's worth, I'll note that Dicken was violating the idiotic Greenwood Park Mall "Gun Free Zone" rule. Which carry’s no weight of law and is merely a building suggestion. They c an always ask him to leave.

www.indianagunowners.com

Police later found that Gomez was carrying a handgun. Gomez, Ison said, had no chance to pull his gun and defend himself.

“He had no time,” Ison said.

 

[wtburnette]

I agree that it isn't any difference in the reality that he likely got surprised, and it gives no comfort To his family or friends. I merely shared it as an anecdotal piece of information that there are more people at the mall carrying.

I agree that it's a datapoint and also agree with Kirk that there were likely more carriers than that. Just, I guess, pointing out that a gun isn't a magical talisman and it can't always save you. Just the reality of things.

 

[bobzilla]

Greenwood mall shooting

For what it's worth, I'll note that Dicken was violating the idiotic Greenwood Park Mall "Gun Free Zone" rule. Which carry’s no weight of law and is merely a building suggestion. They c an always ask him to leave.

www.indianagunowners.com

like I said......

 

[wtburnette]

Doesn't mean you shouldn't carry as it absolutely increases your odds of survival.

 

[Keith_Indy]

like I said......

Just pointing out the article that details Gomez having a gun, and Isons comment on it to @Dean Weingarten

 

[jamil]

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Well. Plus, Eli just **** on their narrative.

 

[jamil]

This is the new kinder gentler INGO.
Or the late night INGO.

So you're saying BigRed would bake the cake in the daytime?

 

[jamil]

Those seeking to cling to a narrative are trying to spin this as a "hate crime" / "race crime" / same old bull****.

How on earth is this a hate crime? Because the people killed all had Spanish names? Couldn't it be that the people killed happened to be the closest/easiest targets? Like Gomez, it sounds like he was right there. Not much worse than a religion of woke zealot.

 

[jamil]

I wouldn't want to see that scumbag Holcomb anywhere near Eli. That scumbag would surely like to use it to get votes.

I mean, maybe he'll just melt in the presence of honor. Might be worth a try?

 

[jamil]

This is the story regarding Gomez. He was the unfortunate man who walked into the restroom and shot by the scumbag. They later found he had a pistol on him. https://www.wrtv.com/news/local-new...-it?dicbo=v2-9ffa38a3260bd1407481b6bae805da7d

From the article:
"So this young man has his wits about him. He acted very calmly," Ison said. "Matter of fact, when I first saw it my first question was 'is that a police officer?'”

Well, 8/10 (ETA at least one center mass)?

Even if he were, he'd still be extraordinary.

 

[jamil]

This... is the greatest thing i've seen this morning. Thank you!

Now, what i want to also see is the live shoot out on Active Self Protection.

That one's going to get a lot of views. Can't wait.

 

[jamil]

This isn't directed at you, but I'm unclear why this matters? The guy was heading into the bathroom while the shooter was coming out, probably with the rifle raised ready to rock. Even if the guy was carrying, he very likely would not have had time to draw, or even react in any way. The guy was surprised and the scumbag ended his life with no chance for him to do anything. Whether he was carrying or not was completely beside the point.

I've seen several articles saying that Gomez was armed. One where police said something to the effect that they found him armed, implying he was not OC'ing. So speculation that he was shot _because_ he was armed was incorrect. All depictions I've read was that he was the first person the shooter encountered.