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[Creedmoor]

Ask Martin Niemöller

Hes geographically undesirable at this time,
Anyone else?

 

[AndreusMaximus]

Again, your embellishment is amazing my friend.
Good day.

I just don't get you, friend.

You come in here talking about how the oh-so-evil Church is still allowing known pedophiles around kids, and when I point out that they actually have stricter standards and will fire people with less proof than even a civil court would require, you say something vague about rose-colored glasses. If I'm not supposed to interpret that as a claim that I'm ignoring reality, that what did you mean?

And why get all in a huff over me saying you've got something against religion? Do you not? Are you not the same guy who has on multiple occasions made fun of religious people for believing everything in their "book of morals", and not being able to think on their own without being told what to think by the "man in the pulpit"? Or am I confusing you with someone else?

If I've misinterpreted or misrepresented anything you've said, I'm open to being corrected.

 

[actaeon277]

 

[drillsgt]

I just don't get you, friend.

You come in here talking about how the oh-so-evil Church is still allowing known pedophiles around kids, and when I point out that they actually have stricter standards and will fire people with less proof than even a civil court would require, you say something vague about rose-colored glasses. If I'm not supposed to interpret that as a claim that I'm ignoring reality, that what did you mean?

And why get all in a huff over me saying you've got something against religion? Do you not? Are you not the same guy who has on multiple occasions made fun of religious people for believing everything in their "book of morals", and not being able to think on their own without being told what to think by the "man in the pulpit"? Or am I confusing you with someone else?

If I've misinterpreted or misrepresented anything you've said, I'm open to being corrected.

Yes, he is that guy.

 

[Creedmoor]

What exactly are we supposed to look at? If you're talking about Catholic schools nowadays, you have to realize that the traditional concept of priests/nuns teaching school kids is practically nonexistent anymore. The vast majority of Catholic schools are staffed not by religious, but by hired teachers/administrators who can be any regular old lay person, and don't even have to be Catholic. In many "Catholic" schools they've gone for the same woke nonsense as the rest of the world, and even have openly gay, etc, teachers and staff. Sadly, there really isn't much about Catholic school staff to differentiate them from other schools these days, and so abuse tends to happen at pretty much the same percentage rate as in other schools.

As for priests abusing children these days, no, it is not still going on to anywhere near the degree that is was in the past. And yes, before you correct me, I'm not saying that priests aren't around in Catholic schools anymore; even though they don't have a primary teaching role in most cases, they are absolutely around, and some of them are sick perverts who take advantage of that position of trust to do horrible things. But this was largely a problem in the 80's-early 2000's, when the media started uncovering it. The problem was that in the 70's the Catholic Church went through it's own sort of mini woke revolution in a lot of ways, and started allowing people with all kind of sexually deviant ideas into seminary, and from there into other positions of authority. Since then, though, there's been a lot change. Sadly, it's true that some perpetrators still have never been fully brought to justice, and I'll gladly join anyone in calling for that to change. But nowadays in terms of preventing abuse and catching those who do so the Catholic Church has, from what I've seen, almost swung to the opposite extreme, with even the most far-fetched of allegations being enough for a priest to be suspended and have to go through years of investigation, and if he is not able to absolutely prove his innocence somehow (which is often that case, as things come down to the word of one witness against another) he may never get his good name back or return to active ministry.

And again, I'm not saying it doesn't ever happen anymore, but even at the height of the scandal the percentage of priests who were abusers was still less than the percentage of secular people in positions of trust around children, such as public school teachers, and it's been significantly reduced since then.

Your perception of it still being a huge problem comes from listening to the media, who gleefully report every time an allegation comes up against a priest, but whenever said allegations are proven to be complete bunk, suddenly the media is MIA to let people know about it. I can think of a few specific cases, like that priest in Washington DC (IIRC his name was Monsignor Pope, or something like that) who had a worker at the parish claim she caught him looking at child porn. The media were all over the story, until there was a thorough police investigation that showed the claim to be completely baseless. Or the positively outrageous treatment of Cardinal Pell in Australia, whose trial looked like a modern remake of To Kill a Mocking Bird. I bet 99% of the people who heard about his trial never knew that he was eventually found to be innocent, and I'm sure most of them never learned any of the preposterous details that came forth at the trial, showing just how utterly laughable the accusations being made against him were in the first place.

In your own words, it still happens.

 

[AndreusMaximus]

In your own words, it still happens.

Yes, it still happens, as I've admitted all along.

Just odd for your choice of an example to be an institution that has done more than any other I know of to combat the problem.

 

[Creedmoor]

Just odd for your choice of an example to be an institution that has done more than any other I know of to combat the problem.

Dont embarrass yourself anymore,
thats so far from the truth and the world and yourself know it.

 

[AndreusMaximus]

Dont embarrass yourself anymore,
thats so far from the truth and the world and yourself know it.

Then please, give me some examples to support your claims. When have you ever heard of a worker in a secular institution, such as a public school teacher, for instance, being fired from their position and thrown out of their organization on the mere strength of a single accusation, even when police and civil authorities declined to press charges for lack of evidence? And yet this has happened to many priests. In most parts of this country the Catholic Church won't allow priests to be alone in a room with a minor, while in public schools teachers are allowed to sexualize children and push LBGTQ ideologies, and are often encouraged to do so, while cross-dressing men openly share their perverted fantasies with children at so-called "drag queen story hours." How in the world can you possibly claim that the situation in Catholic schools is worse that in the world at large?

I've given my reasons for my position, but I've yet to hear yours.

 

[Creedmoor]

Then please, give me some examples to support your claims. When have you ever heard of a worker in a secular institution, such as a public school teacher, for instance, being fired from their position and thrown out of their organization on the mere strength of a single accusation, even when police and civil authorities declined to press charges for lack of evidence? And yet this has happened to many priests. In most parts of this country the Catholic Church won't allow priests to be alone in a room with a minor, while in public schools teachers are allowed to sexualize children and push LBGTQ ideologies, and are often encouraged to do so, while cross-dressing men openly share their perverted fantasies with children at so-called "drag queen story hours." How in the world can you possibly claim that the situation in Catholic schools is worse that in the world at large?

I've given my reasons for my position, but I've yet to hear yours.

A reason? How about the cover-up is still going on.
Reasons like post #381

Drag queens tend not to be pedophiles.

At least The drag queen at story time, does it in front of the world.

 

[buckwacker]

A reason? How about the cover-up is still going on.
Reasons like post #381

Drag queens tend not to be pedophiles.

At least The drag queen at story time, does it in front of the world.

Wow dude. Might want to reread what you wrote.

 

[Creedmoor]

Wow dude. Might want to reread what you wrote.

Why dude? You think most drag queens are pedophiles?
Or is it not true the story time drag queens and not doing story time in front of the public?

Or only strait people have Rights?

 

[TJ Kackowski]

Why dude? You think most drag queens are pedophiles?
Or is it not true the story time drag queens and not doing story time in front of the public?

Or only strait people have Rights?

Trolls continue to be trolls ... somethings just never change.

@Creedmoor, you are a laugh a minute ... keep up the good work!

To everybody else, just relax, sit back, and contiune to enjoy the show ... or use the ignore function we have available to us on INGO ... hover mouse over username in a post, a window will appear with the ignore button ... bada bing troubles disappear! Life's too short to be caught up with trolls.

 

[Cameramonkey]

Trolls continue to be trolls ... somethings just never change.

@Creedmoor, you are a laugh a minute ... keep up the good work!

To everybody else, just relax, sit back, and contiune to enjoy the show ... or use the ignore function we have available to us on INGO ... hover mouse over username in a post, a window will appear with the ignore button ... bada bing troubles disappear! Life's too short to be caught up with trolls.

Yep. Its great. He is in an elite class. I think I can still count all those I have on ignore on one hand. Wait, I think. Maybe because the rest of them have either left or been shootered, but I couldnt tell you what company he keeps because I havent seen any other "show ignored comment"posts for a while.

 

[smokingman]

Drag queen tells kids Halloween costumes make THEM drag queens

Cowboy boots and plastic six-guns, ballerina dresses and hair ties, long white sheets draped over heads for little children – all of those items are "drag" apparel.

www.wnd.com

 

[smokingman]

Rachel Levine says states should leave care of gender-confused youth to ‘experts’

“And we do not need state laws and actions that dictate the principles of transgender medical care by pediatric experts,” said Levine.

thepostmillennial.com

 

[actaeon277]

experts

 

[buckwacker]

Why dude? You think most drag queens are pedophiles?
Or is it not true the story time drag queens and not doing story time in front of the public?

Or only strait people have Rights?

Have you been drinking? I'm having a difficult time deciphering.

 

[AndreusMaximus]

Okay, at this point I feel like I owe it to Creedmoor to say a word on his behalf. I can personally testify that he is not here on INGO solely for the sake of trolling, and I have myself been the recipient both of his helpful advice, and of his generosity in giving to me, for free, some difficult to find supplies for a reloading project.

A reason? How about the cover-up is still going on.
Reasons like post #381

Drag queens tend not to be pedophiles.

At least The drag queen at story time, does it in front of the world.

Now, what I said above notwithstanding, I have to admit that you are really pushing the boundaries both of what I am capable of believing, and of what I am capable of stomaching. In spite of your generosity, which I appreciate, I can't shake the notion that when you step into the political threads you don't mean to be taken seriously, especially when you post things like this.

However, even if it is a fruitless effort, I will try my best to give a serious response.

So first of all, serious question: Did you actually read this article in post #381 that you keep citing as evidence; or did you just link it based on the headline?

The article you linked in post #381 says nothing at all about a cover-up that is still going on; it was about following up on people who were accused years ago. In fact, it shows that the Catholic Church was even more diligent than most secular institutions; as the majority of the cases they cited were cases where the Church fired, laicized, and/or threw someone out of the Church completely, even where the secular authorities did not find enough evidence to charge the person with a crime, but the article still decided to somehow make it the Church's fault because they didn't establish some sort of "Church police" to follow these people around for the rest of their lives and make sure they never got a job around children (something which the Church had no authority to do, seeing as these people were never convicted of a crime.)

Yes, there were still a few cases where things were not reported to law enforcement as they should have been. There are also a small number of prelates, typically high-ranking ones, who are largely being shielded from the consequences they ought to face. And by saying a "few" cases and a "small" number, I don't mean to downplay the seriousness, and as I've said before, I will readily admit that there is much more still to be done. The crimes that were allowed to go unpunished for so long, and some to this day, are absolutely horrible, and I will gladly add my voice to your cry for justice to be served to those who have still gone unpunished, and for the last pockets of corruption and deviancy to be weeded out.

But that's not what this debate has been about: your claim is that things are so much worse, today, in the Catholic Church than in the world at large that to suggest otherwise is to "embarrass yourself."

And yet you have not provided any evidence or examples of how things are handled worse in the Church today than they would be in any secular institution. You even go so far as to defend the public school system doing to very same things that Catholic priests were defrocked and labeled as "pedophiles" for doing. Most of the child abuse that went on (and still does go on, though it is much more rare, and more unlikely to remain secret or go unpunished nowadays) did not, thank God, constitute actually having sexual intercourse with children. The sorts of things that happened were still horrible, but for the most part they constituted things like exposing oneself to children, showing children pornography/dirty films, having sexually explicit conversations with children; in other words, the sort of things that go on regularly at pride/drag events.

 

[Cameramonkey]

There are some so blinded by hatred they simply can no longer see any truths before them.

 

[MarylandTacomaRider]

A reason? How about the cover-up is still going on.
Reasons like post #381

Drag queens tend not to be pedophiles.

At least The drag queen at story time, does it in front of the world.

You should go read Romans 1:18-32 because it pretty much describes what you’ve become and I pray that you’ll repent before it’s too late!