Get your kids out of public schools

[Denny347]

Please explain.
I know there were internal issues but Ball State professors directly influenced the outcome including medical treatment with out notifying me of any of it. Spoke to the family Dr and turns out the regime of treatment was far out of the norm for the issue.

Don

"The fourth that went to Ball State is a mess. Can't hold a job, has isolated themselves from family, and a couple profs at Ball State convinced her she wasn't who she was."

It sounds like she might be suffering from a mental illness. It goes deeper than what university she attended.

 

[Nazgul]

"The fourth that went to Ball State is a mess. Can't hold a job, has isolated themselves from family, and a couple profs at Ball State convinced her she wasn't who she was."

It sounds like she might be suffering from a mental illness. It goes deeper than what university she attended.

I fully acknowledge this. My point was the college professors
involved did not help the situation, they made it worse.

Never intended to characterize the college as worthless. Just relaying my experience in comparison to the others.

Don

Addendum: Obviously there are many factors involved here. The struggle and heartache continues within the family where the subject will stay. Appreciate the responses.

 

[BigRed]

Youngest graduates in a little over a month. The oldest 2 went to private Christian colleges, #3 is in one now and the youngest will be going to welding school...not a lot of snowflaking there.

But...but.. public school is free!

 

[Ingomike]

But...but.. public school is free!

Yep! And even here, most will miss the point of this post…

 

[Ark]

"Not to be a republican (leftist) at 20 is proof of want of heart; to be one at 30 is proof of want of head". - François Guizot

"If a man is not a socialist in his youth, he has no heart. If he is
not a conservative by the time he is 30 he has no head" -- Georges
Clemenceau

[X] I am in this post and don't like it

 

[HoosierLife]

Just a general point to no one specific; if your kids went to college 10 years ago or so it is not the same today…

Yeah, my kids are 5 and 7.

Go to private Christian school until they can read and write and then homeschool or some kind of co-op hybrid.

Have my 7 year old son taking programming, computer science, A.I. online classes on the side.

Will direct him to engineering, A.I. and/or computer science degree at Purdue in Indy. Still live at home.

Daughter will take the same classes on the side and I will direct her to something in the nursing area. Probably IU in Indy. Will still live at home.

I also have them reading good books and soon to be writing reports on the side.

Nothing better to being able to think than spending more time reading and writing.

Having a leg up on their peers in computers will also be helpful as they grow up.

Also having them in church 3x a week and talking about the Lord and doing Bible studies everyday.

Ask me how it all works out in 10-20 years.

 

[yetti462]

Yep, it’s it’s in little systems like Paoli and Orleans. The rot may not be as advanced as in the more liberal areas but it’s there.

Orleans is a good school system. My wife works there and processes many transfers from woke surrounding schools. Basketball games are still opened with prayer by local church leaders. Good small town school.

Bedford on the other hand is gone down hill fast. Last Friday they supported a day of silence for alphabet kids. That would have never happen when I was there. Jeez that was 25 years ago. There is a good number of Bedford parents driving their kids to Orleans everyday. That says a lot.

Bedford is too close to Bloomington.

 

[Creedmoor]

Yeah, my kids are 5 and 7.

Go to private Christian school until they can read and write and then homeschool or some kind of co-op hybrid.

Have my 7 year old son taking programming, computer science, A.I. online classes on the side.

Will direct him to engineering, A.I. and/or computer science degree at Purdue in Indy. Still live at home.

Daughter will take the same classes on the side and I will direct her to something in the nursing area. Probably IU in Indy. Will still live at home.

I also have them reading good books and soon to be writing reports on the side.

Nothing better to being able to think than spending more time reading and writing.

Having a leg up on their peers in computers will also be helpful as they grow up.

Also having them in church 3x a week and talking about the Lord and doing Bible studies everyday.

Ask me how it all works out in 10-20 years.

I preached and thought the same, engineering degrees from MDU, OHS or IU was the planned path discussed.
Both changed dads plan and enlisted after HS grad. Now they will use their Gi Bill for higher education.

 

[HoosierLife]

I preached and thought the same, engineering degrees from MDU, OHS or IU was the planned path discussed.
Both changed dads plan and enlisted after HS grad. Now they will use their Gi Bill for higher education.

I’m not set in stone. Have to see their aptitude and desire.

I’ll be paying for their college, so I hope that’ll hold a little more influence.

I ain’t paying for basket weaving or a silly business degree.

 

[HoughMade]

I’m not set in stone. Have to see their aptitude and desire.

I’ll be paying for their college, so I hope that’ll hold a little more influence.

I ain’t paying for basket weaving or a silly business degree.

As a guy who has paid for 2 college degrees (other than his own), 1 in college and one heading into the trades, I'll say this- if you have a close family that spends time together such that you pass values on to them that are based on something rather than arbitrary, I think you'll be fine. I believe that a child having its closest relationships in a stable household rather than outside it is a key. Friends? Sure, but friends should not be the ones forming their beliefs. There are always kids who will "rebel", but if the base is sound, not hypocritical, not angry, consistent, caring and loving, they'll be fine.

I say all that to say this- if your kids internalize good, sound values, you will not have to fight with them about dumb majors. They will already understand that you don't go to college because it's assumed to be "what's next". That's just plain stupid. You go to college if it's a necessary step towards a reasonable and viable career. Kids raised with good values will understand this and the time to start making that clear for you is....now. Too many people always assume their kids will go to college, the kids assume they will go to college and they never discuss a realistic, concrete plan for what college will be for them.

There is no shame in taking a gap year or 2 to figure out whether college is right for you or taking core classes at a CC and working while they do it. It's much better to not go to college unless and until you know exactly why it is "necessary" for you.

Personal opinion, but not based on nothing- all of parenting over a lifetime is tens of thousands of little conversations over the course of decades, not a few "big" ones.

 

[HoosierLife]

As a guy who has paid for 2 college degrees (other than his own), 1 in college and one heading into the trades, I'll say this- if you have a close family that spends time together such that you pass values on to them that are based on something rather than arbitrary, I think you'll be fine. I believe that a child having its closest relationships in a stable household rather than outside it is a key. Friends? Sure, but friends should not be the ones forming their beliefs. There are always kids who will "rebel", but if the base is sound, not hypocritical, not angry, consistent, caring and loving, they'll be fine.

I say all that to say this- if your kids internalize good, sound values, you will not have to fight with them about dumb majors. They will already understand that you don't go to college because it's assumed to be "what's next". That's just plain stupid. You go to college if it's a necessary step towards a reasonable and viable career. Kids raised with good values will understand this and the time to start making that clear for you is....now. Too many people always assume their kids will go to college, the kids assume they will go to college and they never discuss a realistic, concrete plan for what college will be for them.

There is no shame in taking a gap year or 2 to figure out whether college is right for you or taking core classes at a CC and working while they do it. It's much better to not go to college unless and until you know exactly why it is "necessary" for you.

Personal opinion, but not based on nothing- all of parenting over a lifetime is tens of thousands of little conversations over the course of decades, not a few "big" ones.

I agree. And appreciate the advice.

Our family is super close and we have deep conversations on a variety of topics every day.

And they’re definitely internalizing them already.

 

[DragonGunner]

We took our 2 boys out of grade school back in the 90’s. And they are better off today for it. We didn’t have kids so somebody else could indoctrinate them. I look back at my school days and wish my parents had takin me out, I decided not to make the same mistake.

 

[HoosierLife]

We took our 2 boys out of grade school back in the 90’s. And they are better off today for it. We didn’t have kids so somebody else could indoctrinate them. I look back at my school days and wish my parents had takin me out, I decided not to make the same mistake.

I came from the situation @HoughMade referenced myself.

It was just assumed I would go to college and never discussed.

Well, there was that one time my dad sat me down in 10th grade and asked if I planned on going to college.

I said “Yeah of course.”

He said “Not if you keep up your current grades.”

Might have been a little more than that. But I did start taking school a little more seriously my junior and senior year.

Still had no clue what direction to go into.

I do remember a brief conversation with my HS guidance counselor in the hallway.

She asked what I was going to college for. I told her I didn’t know. She suggested Purdue and engineering because of my math and science grades (I was a big dork who took extra honors and AP science/math classes for electives.)

So that’s what I did and I got into Purdue Engineering. I think they called it Pre-engineering or freshman engineering.

Somebody should have warned me what that was all about lol.

I didn’t even know what engineering was.

Let’s just say, I don’t have an engineering degree.

Ten years later I finally graduated from Bible college and now run an Insurance Agency, a Marketing Company, and a Software Company.

The Lord is good!

But I would like my children not to wander during their 20s.

See if they can get a few steps ahead a couple of decades faster in life.

 

[DragonGunner]

I came from the situation @HoughMade referenced myself.

It was just assumed I would go to college and never discussed.

Well, there was that one time my dad sat me down in 10th grade and asked if I planned on going to college.

I said “Yeah of course.”

He said “Not if you keep up your current grades.”

Might have been a little more than that. But I did start taking school a little more seriously my junior and senior year.

Still had no clue what direction to go into.

I do remember a brief conversation with my HS guidance counselor in the hallway.

She asked what I was going to college for. I told her I didn’t know. She suggested Purdue and engineering because of my math and science grades (I was a big dork who took extra honors and AP science/math classes for electives.)

So that’s what I did and I got into Purdue Engineering. I think they called it Pre-engineering or freshman engineering.

Somebody should have warned me what that was all about lol.

I didn’t even know what engineering was.

Let’s just say, I don’t have an engineering degree.

Ten years later I finally graduated from Bible college and now run an Insurance Agency, a Marketing Company, and a Software Company.

The Lord is good!

But I would like my children not to wander during their 20s.

See if they can get a few steps ahead a couple of decades faster in life.

A good life compass is far more important than anything else IMHO. Great job you like and education and getting ahead are great also. I probably averaged $8-10 a hour most of my life. Considered poor by any standards yet I have plenty including peace with the good Lord also. Both my adult sons have great jobs and one is making over $30 a hour, no debt for both of them and own their own houses. I retired making a whopping $16.00 a hour and took 17 years to get there starting at $7.50….I firmly believe teach a child how to live and they will make a good living. Teach a child a good living and he won’t know how to live. But it wasn’t all me, I had a promise from the Lord that he kept about my children before they were ever born. The Lord is good indeed!

 

[Guns&engines]

I was raised in a two parent Christian family as was my wife. We both went to public schools. I went to college at Ball State in the early 90’s, my wife didn’t go to college. We raised our four girls the same way, they went to a rural public school. Two went to college and two did not.

Based on my experience from going to Ball State, I thought it would be OK for them, but I was very wrong! Our oldest did well for about the first 2 years there. She was in a Christian campus ministry group, even went on a mission trip to Haiti over the summer. By the time she graduated she had turned into a hard leftist atheist and is now married to someone that thinks similarly. We still struggle to understand the hard turn of events with that one!

The other one that went to college also went to Ball State. She was an absolutely brilliant teen, got moved up a grade in high school, and graduated early. She had some bad influences in professors and friends that warped her mind at Ball State. She had to seek out counseling services from Ball State for which we had to sign for permission (big regret there!) but had no say or influence in those services. Unfortunately counselors these days tend to push these leftist ideologies and they pushed her the wrong direction. She has cut just about all ties with us as a young adult and now identifies as a he/him.

The two that did not go to college are now both young parents. They did not get the modern brain washing from college and still have decent conservative values. They still consider themselves as Christians, although I feel like they are less committed to their faith than I wish they were. They see what happened with their siblings and what is going on the world today and are very concerned about the world their children, my grandchildren, are going to grow up in. My oldest grandchild will be kindergarten age next year and they are already home schooling. I don’t think they have any intentions of ever sending him to public schools.

 

[Twangbanger]

Curious, isn't it? Why our kids (and I know I did it too) give more weight to the words of complete strangers than they do their own parents? I get it, if you're trying to learn about engineering, math, biology, etc. but for foundational topics, how we will so willingly give up what our parents drilled into us because some person with an advanced degree said so--it's a human condition, I guess.

The real problem is not educators. I really don't think most kids give a sh*t what their educators think (unless they're a brownnose). The real issue with college, is they come into contact with other kids who were not raised the way you raised them. If and when they see those kids are not bad people, it causes them to question what they were taught.

I think it's important that although parents need to instill their values in your kids, they have to shy away from "these people are always bad" type absolutes. Because the minute the kid comes into contact with someone different, whom they actually like, now everything you taught them is up for debate. The kid wonders what else their parents taught them is totally wrong, also. It can lead to a period of "open-minded experimentation." For kids who have the personality trait of being confident in themselves, know what they're about, and being true to themselves, this is not a bad thing. But if the kid is a "follower," watch out. That's when the brainwashing thing happens.

I strongly suspect the horror stories you hear about kids getting "flipped" when they go to college, are kids who have the personality trait of being a "follower." While they're home with mom and dad and absorbing Christian indoctrination, they follow - or seem to. Then, they get away to college, meet an atheist who is actually a cool, decent person, and the whole canon of what mom and dad taught them gets overthrown. Now everything is open to question, and with a "follower," that can end up anywhere.

If your kid is a follower, I think the best thing is not to indoctrinate them. Those kids need to be made aware of the fact that they're overly-deferential to the opinions of others, and sort of encourage them to be more skeptical of others, more true to themselves, and have some way of thinking for themselves and critically evaluating what they hear. Oh really? Humans are going to go extinct because we are killing the environment? What makes you think that? Did the person who told you that have some "angle?" How have you looked into it? What "feeback loop" could you use to verify the person isn't full of sht?

I agree with the OP that there are some sick puppies in public schools who need to be exposed. But the real solution isn't church schools. Your kids will eventually come into contact with the stuff you don't want them to see. Teach them to be critical and to look for ways to cross-check the veracity of stuff they hear.

 

[Jaybird1980]

There is no shame in taking a gap year or 2 to figure out whether college is right for you or taking core classes at a CC and working while they do it. It's much better to not go to college unless and until you know exactly why it is "necessary" for you.

Personal opinion, but not based on nothing- all of parenting over a lifetime is tens of thousands of little conversations over the course of decades, not a few "big" ones.

This is what the daughter is doing, she was lucky enough to get a job in the field that she thinks she wants to get into.

I really wish I would have understood the little conversations part when she was younger. That is important and young kids understand more than they get credit for.

 

[Ingomike]

7 Important Social Benefits Kids Develop From Homeschooling

From high interaction with homeschooled families and graduates in multiple environments, I've definitely noticed differences.

thefederalist.com

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

The rot they are teaching our kids.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

The rot they are teaching our kids.

And the fact check.