Game changer - Colorado shooter was part of the terrorist wing of OWS

[MACHINEGUN]

Too bad the Police didn't kill him!

Hopefully Colorado will bring back the "Firing Squad" for this one!

He rightfully deserves it!

 

[Mr Evilwrench]

Frankly, if you start from the premise that this was a "false flag" attack, it's easy to "prove" it. But all his assumptions are just that, assumptions and speculation. Face it, we don't know why this guy did this, but we do know it wasn't a spur-of-the-moment action; he took months to prepare for it. If the police fail to make a money connection between him and some unnamed "group", or no big sums of money show up linking him to to a "group", and all leads as to why he did this dead end, I'll start to consider a "false flag" operation. But not until all other leads fade out.

The problem comes in when the authorities tasked with finding the truth for us, are the ones conspiring in an action against us. I'd like to think all sweetness and light about the FBI and all those, but there has been too much chicanery going on recently for me to trust them. The media have beclowned themselves into irrelevance; in fact, if you want to know the truth, listen to them and take the opposite; you'll have it.

 

[cobber]

It does matter where you are.

In the United States of America violence comes from the Left. Always has, always will.

Heck, the Left even makes movies about killing the President when they are not, you know, killing the President.

Violence always from the Left?

I don't think the Left is claiming the KKK, or anti-civil rights violence in the 20th c. South. (They may have been DINOs, but hardly Leftists.) Actually I don't think anyone is claiming them.

Race riots in various northern cities?

How about anti-Union actions in the late 19th and early 20th century? Maybe the Pinkertons were lefties as well. I mean, they were cracking heads on behalf of the captains of industry, who were hardly even remotely socialist.

 

[Blackhawk2001]

The problem comes in when the authorities tasked with finding the truth for us, are the ones conspiring in an action against us. I'd like to think all sweetness and light about the FBI and all those, but there has been too much chicanery going on recently for me to trust them. The media have beclowned themselves into irrelevance; in fact, if you want to know the truth, listen to them and take the opposite; you'll have it.

I'm content to see what evidence comes out at trial. The problem with your theory is that we don't KNOW that what you're saying is so. We may infer it from data which come out later on, or we may infer it from their actions - or lack thereof - in pursuing evidence, but we can't know for sure until we have more information, if we can know at all. While I understand your concern, I need more to convince me that ALL the FBI and ALL the local PDs are conspiring against us and no one wants to discover the truth.

 

[CX1]

Violence always from the Left?

I don't think the Left is claiming the KKK, or anti-civil rights violence in the 20th c. South. (They may have been DINOs, but hardly Leftists.) Actually I don't think anyone is claiming them.

Race riots in various northern cities?

How about anti-Union actions in the late 19th and early 20th century? Maybe the Pinkertons were lefties as well. I mean, they were cracking heads on behalf of the captains of industry, who were hardly even remotely socialist.

I don't think Paul Jennings Hill, the Army of God or the other arsonists and fire-bombers were from the left side of the political spectrum either.
Planned Parenthood clinic in Wisconsin fire-bombed; officials say damage was minimal - BlogPost - The Washington Post

 

[2A_Tom]

No matter what the truth is.

It will soon be reported that he listened to rignt wing hate radio.

He heard that Bane was Bain.

He just didn't want people to hear the propaganda.

 

[Paco Bedejo]

Political violence always comes from the Left.

We've had spates of anarachists/socialists/environmentalists committing acts of terrorism before and very recently.

We need to ensure that his committment to the Black Bloc is what motivated this. If so, you arrest the entire organization and put them in the Bureau of Prisons for a very long time.

Is that not the MO of terrorists? To target the innocent.

The anarchists, the SDS, the Weathermen, the Black Liberation Army, environmentalists, Leftists of various stripes, etc. all targeted the innocent.



From YOUR perspective, perhaps not from his.

We shall see.

Perhaps he is an anarchist, perhaps not. We shall see.

However, these things have happened before whether in affiliation with a group or attacking out of political goals of a group or political grudge (e.g. the Knoxville Church shootings).

Please spend 3 minutes here.

 

[CathyInBlue]

"`Ello. My name is INGO .com. You joined my forum. Prepare to conversate."

 

[Kirk Freeman]

I don't think the Left is claiming the KKK, or anti-civil rights violence in the 20th c. South. (They may have been DINOs, but hardly Leftists.)

The KKK is the armed wing of which party? The party that fought to defend slavery or the party that fought to destroy slavery?

Please spend 3 minutes here.

Anarchists have a long history of political violence. Some of us know what the red and black are up to and we know how much the love fighting the helpless.

Anarchist symbolism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[cobber]

The KKK is the armed wing of which party? The party that fought to defend slavery or the party that fought to destroy slavery?



Anarchists have a long history of political violence. Some of us know what the red and black are up to and we know how much the love fighting the helpless.

Anarchist symbolism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Party-shmarty. In the 19th c. the Republican and Democrat parties were a wee bit different than they are now. You're suggesting the KKK was a wing of a party?

We're talking Sein, not Schein. A rose by any other name...

And where do anarchists fit in? Left? Right? I don't think the socialists/communists would claim them...

 

[2A_Tom]

Kirk,
It will never cease to astound me the convolutions the left will present to show that the KKK and Nazis are con c,ervative.

" if you go far enough ti the,right there they are" I am so far right I must be Nancy Pelosi.

 

[Tombs]

Kirk,
It will never cease to astound me the convolutions the left will present to show that the KKK and Nazis are con c,ervative.

" if you go far enough ti the,right there they are" I am so far right I must be Nancy Pelosi.

You have socialism on one extreme end and fascism on the other extreme end.

At the end of the day, it's like traveling around the planet, you may have walked a long way in one direction but you came back to the same place.

Political extremism always gravitates towards totalitarianism, so it always generates the same result.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

You're suggesting the KKK was a wing of a party?

Not suggestion. It is a historical fact.

The Klan started as the armed wing of the Democrat Party. The Democrat Party aided and protected the Klan and the Klan worked to further the interests of the Democrats.

The Republican Party, not the Democrats, passed the Civil Rights Acts, the anti-Klan legislation, and the 14th Amendment all over the objections of the Democrats.

And where do anarchists fit in?

On the Left, Ralphie and the Wobblies, inter alia all were men of the Left.

Which side did the Red and Black (aka the anarchist-communism union) fight on during the Spanish Civil War, Mr. History Professor?

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Cool image of the Alcazar de Toledo (which my house is named after):

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[Kirk Freeman]

The Clash sing, "The sang the Red Flag, they wore the black one." Praising the anarchists that fought for the Left.

The CNT flew which flag, Mr. History Professor?

 

[cobber]

Not suggestion. It is a historical fact.

The Klan started as the armed wing of the Democrat Party. The Democrat Party aided and protected the Klan and the Klan worked to further the interests of the Democrats.

The Republican Party, not the Democrats, passed the Civil Rights Acts, the anti-Klan legislation, and the 14th Amendment all over the objections of the Democrats.



On the Left, Ralphie and the Wobblies, inter alia all were men of the Left.

Which side did the Red and Black (aka the anarchist-communism union) fight on during the Spanish Civil War, Mr. History Professor?

DINOs. And again, you ignore my point. To equate 19th c. Democrats to 20th-21st c. Leftists is below your usual excellent debate performance.

Plenty of racial violence in US history. Probably most of it not attributable to any particular party. Certainly not to a national party organization.

Pinkertons? You forgot to address the extremes in anti-labor violence employed by the goons of the capitalists. American labor history is rife with examples of private detectives, police, national guardsmen, etc., employing violence against strikers or organizers.

Bonus March? I guess that dang Liberal MacArthur just out of control.

Anarchists? Pfft. I don't care who they sleep with. Doesn't make them leftists any more than the US was Communist for allying with the USSR against Germany.

How about FBI agents-provocateurs? Right or Left?

Never say never, ditto for always.

 

[Mackey]

Not suggestion. It is a historical fact.

The Klan started as the armed wing of the Democrat Party. The Democrat Party aided and protected the Klan and the Klan worked to further the interests of the Democrats.

The Republican Party, not the Democrats, passed the Civil Rights Acts, the anti-Klan legislation, and the 14th Amendment all over the objections of the Democrats.

On the Left, Ralphie and the Wobblies, inter alia all were men of the Left.

Which side did the Red and Black (aka the anarchist-communism union) fight on during the Spanish Civil War, Mr. History Professor?

Here's this Kirk guy. Always throwing around the truth and facts.

 

[357 Terms]

Kirk Freeman;

You seem to be able to spout half-truths, twist facts, and go to the extreme as much, if not more than some of the people you denounce.

Kinda funny.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

DINOs. And again, you ignore my point. To equate 19th c. Democrats to 20th-21st c. Leftists is below your usual excellent debate performance.

No, I don't ignore I just point out that the Democrat Party has long associated itself with violence. From firing on Fort Sumter, to terrorizing Blacks and Republicans, to embracing the Weathermen and OWS.

You seem to be able to spout half-truths, twist facts, and go to the extreme as much, if not more than some of the people you denounce.

And you are welcome to point them out.

I pointed out the mass shootings for political purposes that you said did not happen.

Do you have any other questions?

 

[cobber]

No, I don't ignore I just point out that the Democrat Party has long associated itself with violence. From firing on Fort Sumter, to terrorizing Blacks and Republicans, to embracing the Weathermen and OWS.

The Democrats weren't always left wing. The Republicans weren't always right wing. Your categorical statement was that violence "always" comes from the left. QED.

I don't know why you insist on this point of view. It simply is not supportable by historical fact. It's simply a circular argument

Plenty of examples of right-wing violence. Plenty.

BTW, I didn't realize the Clash were Americans, or that I should care what they say any more than, say, Rosie O'Donnell.

And now for something completely different:

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