Foreign NATO troops run drills in Tampa, FL

[rambone]

"In politics nothing happens 'by chance.' If something happens, then you can bet that it was planned that way."

-Franklin Delano Roosevelthttp://www.disinfotainmenttoday.com/issue26.htm

 

[88GT]

Yes, I googled him. Fine Arts major? Do you think that I consider him qualified to speak authoritatively on history and policy simply because he supports Ron Paul? Do I really come across as being that simple?

Not because I expect you to respect a particular source for his alliance with Paul. But for cherry-picking the guy's CV? Yeah.

Your quote makes sense, but does not really apply here.

On the contrary, it absolutely is applicable. Conspiracy theorists assume malice at every point in their dialogue. It's what makes them conspiracy theorists.

I don't think it's about malice. I think it's about greed and power. I think that stupidity is a very limited factor in politics.

I hate to break it to you, but greed and power fall under the malice umbrella.

 

[steveh_131]

Not because I expect you to respect a particular source for his alliance with Paul. But for cherry-picking the guy's CV? Yeah.

Not really following you here. CV?

On the contrary, it absolutely is applicable. Conspiracy theorists assume malice at every point in their dialogue. It's what makes them conspiracy theorists.



I hate to break it to you, but greed and power fall under the malice umbrella.

I'm not certain I agree here... I could be wrong, but I don't think that greed necessarily falls under the malice category.

A desire to harm others or to see others suffer; extreme ill will or spite.

I don't think our politicians are primarily motivated by ill will or spite. I think they are motivated by greed. And I certainly don't think the vast majority of them are stupid.

And I don't think that makes me a conspiracy theorist. That makes me realistic about human nature.

 

[88GT]

Not really following you here. CV?

Curriculum Vitae

I'm not certain I agree here... I could be wrong, but I don't think that greed necessarily falls under the malice category.



I don't think our politicians are primarily motivated by ill will or spite. I think they are motivated by greed. And I certainly don't think the vast majority of them are stupid.

And I don't think that makes me a conspiracy theorist. That makes me realistic about human nature.

I'm not going to argue semantics. If you don't agree, fine.

 

[2ADMNLOVER]

Since the events of the last paragraph of your post haven't happened yet, we'll have to see whether or not your vision or mine is correct.

" Haven't happened yet " , sure they have . Just not on a scale large enough to grab the sheep's attention .

Sure maybe not en mass YET , but to that I'd say see earlier post about the " brown shirts " .

Why do we have MD 's asking about guns in the home when you take a kid in for a chest cold ?

It's all about conditioning .

 

[steveh_131]

I'm not going to argue semantics. If you don't agree, fine.

I truly think the difference is far more important than mere semantics.

I agree that we shouldn't attribute to malice what could easily be explained by stupidity. This is a valid argument, because I don't believe that people are often motivated purely by malice...nothing more than ill will towards fellow human beings. Stupidity is a much safer assumption than malice.

However, I don't think that stupidity or malice are the driving factors in politics.

 

[Blackhawk2001]

" Haven't happened yet " , sure they have . Just not on a scale large enough to grab the sheep's attention .

Sure maybe not en mass YET , but to that I'd say see earlier post about the " brown shirts " .

Why do we have MD 's asking about guns in the home when you take a kid in for a chest cold ?

It's all about conditioning .

It's pretty easy for you to see anyone who doesn't agree with your vision of politics as a "sheep", isn't it? In that sense, you're just like the socialists and the racists who feel that people, either in general, or of a particular ethnic or class persuasion (pick one or more) are too stupid or genetically inferior to figure out what's happening in the world. I'm not certain where you, in particular, draw the line; I don't believe you want to run peoples' individual lives, but you certainly don't mind reminding them of how superior your mindset is.

 

[PINski1015]

" Haven't happened yet " , sure they have . Just not on a scale large enough to grab the sheep's attention .

Sure maybe not en mass YET , but to that I'd say see earlier post about the " brown shirts " .

Why do we have MD 's asking about guns in the home when you take a kid in for a chest cold ?

It's all about conditioning .

You can keep living in fear and spreading it. Enjoy it. Just remember this, Alex Jones is in the business to make money not to save the world. Every time you watch his videos your filling his pockets. He makes millions every year spreading fear. I'm willing to bet he's never offered a solution either.

 

[2ADMNLOVER]

I don't believe you want to run peoples' individual lives, but you certainly don't mind reminding them of how superior your mindset is.

It's not about superior / inferior , it's about situational awareness and seeing the world / our country for what it's becoming and how it's changing .

If you're the type of person who's main concern is with some idiot throwing a ball or who's winning American idiot , then yes you fall into the sheep category . (not you specifically , in general)

I encounter far too many folks that seem to not care about history and current events .

Why ? Simple , their bellies are full , their butt's are warm and dry .

Their immediate needs are met so why care about anything other than themselves not knowing that their apathy will come back to haunt them / us all .

If you can't tell ,haven't noticed how much our "rights and freedoms " have been infringed and trampled upon then yes , you qualify as a sheep .
I'm telling you and everybody else that this **** isn't an accident or "isolated incident" . Wake UP .

 

[2ADMNLOVER]

You can keep living in fear and spreading it. Enjoy it. Just remember this, Alex Jones is in the business to make money not to save the world. Every time you watch his videos your filling his pockets. He makes millions every year spreading fear. I'm willing to bet he's never offered a solution either.

I even think he's "nuts" sometimes , I'm not saying I buy everything he's selling . I will say that he "reports" on some things that other "media outlets" won't .

It isn't about living in fear , it's about realizing that not everything we're being told adds up .

We are becoming a "nanny state" , that's easy to see unless your more concerned with game shows and ball games .

 

[cerebus85]

Don't worry , neither did the average German while Hitler's brown shirts were rising to power .

The U.S. runs more war games and exercises in these countries than some of them probably run in their own. Our military abroad has more of an established presence. Comparing us to Brownshirts is a bit dramatic. The brownshirts were part of a rising fascist political party in germany. A country that had little military presence anywhere after the armistice. This country faces more threats within its own borders than from abroad.

 

[Expat]

This country faces more threats within its own borders than from abroad.

That seems to be the position of Janet Napolitano.

 

[strahd71]

Comparing us to Brownshirts is a bit dramatic. The brownshirts were part of a rising fascist political party in germany.

have you been watching how the government has been behaving for the last decade or more? you dont see a fascist political party rising from the obama administration in particular?

This country faces more threats within its own borders than from abroad.

i agree with this 100% which is kind of what i think this thread is about.............

jake

 

[rambone]

That seems to be the position of Janet Napolitano.

Maybe that's who he's talking about.

 

[Blackhawk2001]

i agree with this 100% which is kind of what i think this thread is about.............

jake

Funny, I thought it was about Rambone making another mountain out of a molehill by taking something out of context again.

 

[cerebus85]

Funny, I thought it was about Rambone making another mountain out of a molehill by taking something out of context again.

That and poor history lessons seem to be a theme.

 

[Blackhawk2001]

Yes, I googled him. Fine Arts major? Do you think that I consider him qualified to speak authoritatively on history and policy simply because he supports Ron Paul? Do I really come across as being that simple?



Your quote makes sense, but does not really apply here.

I don't think it's about malice. I think it's about greed and power. I think that stupidity is a very limited factor in politics.

I think stupidity is very much evident in national politics. Look at Congress. They insist upon making financial projections and law based on static models; they never seem to get the fact that when laws have financial consequences, individuals and corporations work to minimize or eliminate those consequences for themselves or their businesses. Luxury taxes result in fewer luxury items being sold; high business income taxes result in fewer businesses; over-regulation results in businesses moving to where there is less regulation; cigarette mega-taxes result in fewer smokers. Some states have raised gasoline taxes - supposedly for road construction and maintenance - and when drivers have switched to vehicle that get much better gas mileage (resulting in - gasp! - less revenue to the government) government toys with the idea of assessing drivers a "usage tax" based on mileage. They never seem to learn.