Excuse me, Can I borrow everything you are carrying?

[printcraft]

Standing around outside of a bar at 2:30 in the morning.... what could go wrong?

[video=youtube;w5Va2NhikHE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5Va2NhikHE[/video]

This is why I'm an ******* to people that approach me in public.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

At least it was not a Walmart.

 

[printcraft]

At least it was not a Walmart.

I wanted to cross post.....

I think the most important training from this is: Don't stand outside of a bar at 2:30 am.
Makes all other what-if's moot if you are not there in the first place.

 

[Thor]

These are just the grown up versions of the kids running around amusement parks smacking peoples pockets and asking if they've got any change. They've just stopped asking.

A couple of hipsters on the street early am...just asking to have their stuff taken by the feral animals they studiously ignore because of social justice and stuff. In a different environment they would be killed by the bear, or sharks, or weather. Saying to themselves "Couldn't happen to me".

 

[Cameramonkey]

I wanted to cross post.....

I think the most important training from this is: Don't stand outside of a bar at 2:30 am.
Makes all other what-if's moot if you are not there in the first place.

[PURPLE]

[/PURPLE]

These are just the grown up versions of the kids running around amusement parks smacking peoples pockets and asking if they've got any change. They've just stopped asking.

A couple of hipsters on the street early am...just asking to have their stuff taken by the feral animals they studiously ignore because of social justice and stuff. In a different environment they would be killed by the bear, or sharks, or weather. Saying to themselves "Couldn't happen to me".

SO MUCH THIS!

 

[BehindBlueI's]

This is actually something we talk about in my class. The common lead-ups to robberies, why they use them, and how to get ahead of the curve. Hint: If you're not smoking and someone asks for a light, you're about to get robbed.

 

[Ddillard]

What, situational awareness still applies after midnight?

 

[2A_Tom]

This is why I'm a tactically rude ******* to people that approach me in public.

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[Kirk Freeman]

This is actually something we talk about in my class. The common lead-ups to robberies, why they use them, and how to get ahead of the curve. Hint: If you're not smoking and someone asks for a light, you're about to get robbed.

And they laughed at me for running for entangling ground.

 

[churchmouse]

This is actually something we talk about in my class. The common lead-ups to robberies, why they use them, and how to get ahead of the curve. Hint: If you're not smoking and someone asks for a light, you're about to get robbed.

We have discussed this.
People make themselves into targets.

 

[Brad69]

I think that was a well planned attack two woman did the real work with a trigger man.
I do not think this was the first time or did they rehearse?

I was told by a Detective in Birmingham, AL that the women he encounters with were the most dangerous people he deals with.
They are cunning incredibly cruel and attack with no warning.
They often carry razors in several areas?

 

[churchmouse]

I think that was a well planned attack two woman did the real work with a trigger man.
I do not think this was the first time or did they rehearse?

I was told by a Detective in Birmingham, AL that the women he encounters with were the most dangerous people he deals with.
They are cunning incredibly cruel and attack with no warning.
They often carry razors in several areas?

Wow. Sounds like some of the Chicas south of the Rio Grande.

 

[Anima mundi]

This is actually something we talk about in my class. The common lead-ups to robberies, why they use them, and how to get ahead of the curve. Hint: If you're not smoking and someone asks for a light, you're about to get robbed.

I'm really glad you go over this and hit on it so hard. Some people need to straight-up learn to tell people "Go away, I am not your friend."

 

[rhino]

This is actually something we talk about in my class. The common lead-ups to robberies, why they use them, and how to get ahead of the curve. Hint: If you're not smoking and someone asks for a light, you're about to get robbed.

Thank you for pressing this point. Keep reminding us!

 

[Butch627]

did the sound work for you guys? It didn't for me. Seems to me like the camera caught the perps pretty good, did they get arrested yet?

 

[Chase515]

I'm really glad you go over this and hit on it so hard. Some people need to straight-up learn to tell people "Go away, I am not your friend."

I took a class with coach and bbi, f--k off at the top of your lungs is the preferred response. Unarmed a person is always going to be a victim.

 

[PhxCollier]

So, what is the best response? Let's assume you are out, not drinking, but your buddy is, and you stay out until 2:30. You are in Indiana and you have your weapon (iwb) and Indiana permit on you. You see the potential threat a few yards out. Nothing, to that point, merits drawing your weapon. When does it? Once bad guy number two draws, it seems too late.

I am a newbie, so what would be the "pro" response? I don't intend to bunker up in my house, so yes, I could be out at 2:30 am leaving a bar.

 

[lovemachine]

So, what is the best response? Let's assume you are out, not drinking, but your buddy is, and you stay out until 2:30. You are in Indiana and you have your weapon (iwb) and Indiana permit on you. You see the potential threat a few yards out. Nothing, to that point, merits drawing your weapon. When does it? Once bad guy number two draws, it seems too late.

I am a newbie, so what would be the "pro" response? I don't intend to bunker up in my house, so yes, I could be out at 2:30 am leaving a bar.

LOL just because someone is smart enough to not be at a bar at 2am doesn't mean they are bunkered up in their house. And Indiana doesn't have a gun permit

A good rule of thumb, the gun comes out if you are afraid for your life.

 

[Hoosierdood]

This is why I'm an ******* .

FTFY

 

[BehindBlueI's]

So, what is the best response? Let's assume you are out, not drinking, but your buddy is, and you stay out until 2:30. You are in Indiana and you have your weapon (iwb) and Indiana permit on you. You see the potential threat a few yards out. Nothing, to that point, merits drawing your weapon. When does it? Once bad guy number two draws, it seems too late.

I am a newbie, so what would be the "pro" response? I don't intend to bunker up in my house, so yes, I could be out at 2:30 am leaving a bar.

I took a class with coach and bbi, f--k off at the top of your lungs is the preferred response. Unarmed a person is always going to be a victim.

So that's my class he's referencing. It's a bit more nuanced than simply loudly cursing at someone...but it may involve loudly cursing at someone. Just so I don't have to reinvent the wheel with who I am and what I teach: https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo.../436878-defensive-concepts-double-header.html

In short, I've worked a lot of robberies, shootings, and stabbings. I've also put the time in to study the basics of criminal psychology, decision making, behavioral economics, etc. as it applies to this particular arena.

The first thing is you can't act like prey and you can't let them close too much. Being submissive and passive encourages the attacker. Firm response, and if that doesn't work, step it up to straight up rude and loud. Attract attention. Look how close to the door they were. If you can put them back on their heels mentally for a few seconds, you can escape back into the bar and probably avoid the whole thing. Way better than having to shoot someone. You're not risking getting hurt, you're not talking to the police as a shooter, you're not waiting for the civil suit to drop, etc.

So let's say you didn't do that. You didn't see trouble coming, you didn't defuse the situation, you couldn't stall their OODA loop long enough to escape, so you are now at the 14 second mark. It's time to fight. Not the half-measure slapping at the gun. When it's go time, it's all out go time. Speed, surprise, and overwhelming violence. The robber with the gun is using it as a prop. He is not paying attention, he's waving it around, he's obviously not expecting resistance. Especially white hat guy could have drawn and drilled him before armed robber knew what was up. So, skill dependent, draw, get a good hit, move or draw and shoot on the move. Take a scan of the area, create distance, seek cover, or get back in the building depending on what that scan shows you.