Evansville Sued for Violating Gun Owner's Rights

[goinggreyfast]

I'm curious to see if Bryan will step forward to clarify if his statements were taken out of context.

Anyone have Bryan's email address??? Maybe a little "suggestion" from his 2A friends is in order?

 

[Jack Burton]

I managed to get a few posts up clarifiying some issues that people were having. You all are welcome to jump into the pool.

They didn't like my comparing keeping a LTC out of the zoo with keeping a black family out, though.

 

[singlestacksig]

Yes Ms. Parks you can ride, but everyone would be more comfortable if you sat in back.

 

[GuyRelford]

Yes Ms. Parks you can ride, but everyone would be more comfortable if you sat in back.

But of course we're only "asking." (Hand on baton.)

 

[Rookie]

To clarify my point of view...

I have no problem with an officer asking me to conceal, or telling me that I have to conceal. His response to my refusal is what's important. A lot of times police have to play mediator and this situation was one of them.

Scenario 1: you're scaring the kids, cover it.
TF: no.
The police walk to whoever and explain that TF isn't doing anything illegal and there's nothing they can do.

Win.

Scenario 2: what we have right now...

Fail.

 

[Birds Away]

Here is the link: Gun-toting man at Mesker Zoo causes commotion | POLL » Evansville Courier & Press

I am very surprised at the comments of Bryan Ciyou. One would think the author of an Indiana firearms reference manual would understand our new preemption statute and an Indiana citizen's right to OC.

It is fundamentally wrong to say "the police were correct to request the man to hide the gun from public view." On city property, it was ILLEGAL for police to order my client to conceal his firearm.

By the way, there is a poll attached to the article. INGOers should express their opinion.

Guy

Based upon this premise, if I, a legally licensed driver in the State of Indiana, were driving along, not breaking any laws, another person could complain to a LEO that they were uncomfortable with my driving. The said LEO could ask me not to drive and I would be hauled away if I did not comply?

 

[henktermaat]

I saw this today:
Indiana cities facing changes in state gun laws - 13 WTHR

It's also on the WTHR FB page

Also: http://www.courierpress.com/news/2011/sep/19/EV_zoo/

 

[GuyRelford]

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[henktermaat]

I have stated before that Brian Ciyou IS NOT AN OPEN CARRY ADVOCATE. It is surprising that someone who has researched Indiana code so thoroughly would be opposed to open carry, but he is. I stated this in another thread:

 

[Rookie]

I respect your point of view and your tolerance. My point is that asking you to conceal, whether you object to it on a personal level or not, is very specifically illegal in this context.

Guy

Please don't think I'm arguing with you, I'm wanting to learn. Here's a scenario, when are the police actions illegal?

MWAG on public property.
1 approach and ask for LTCH
2 state that they received a call
3 state that OC can cause people to call police
4 ask if OCer would be willing to conceal, or
4 tell OCer that they need to conceal
5 escort OC er off property.

 

[Bunnykid68]

Jack, they pulled one of your post at the papers website

 

[GuyRelford]

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[Hoosierdood]

Please don't think I'm arguing with you, I'm wanting to learn. Here's a scenario, when are the police actions illegal?

MWAG on public property.
1 approach and ask for LTCH
2 state that they received a call
3 state that OC can cause people to call police
4 ask if OCer would be willing to conceal, or
4 tell OCer that they need to conceal
5 escort OC er off property.

I would say that ASKING an individual to consider covering up is not a violation as long as the officer is willing to accept the fact that the individual can refuse. If the officer instructs the individual to cover up - whether that be a request or command - with the intent that there is no option to refuse, it then becomes a violation of rights. Option #5 is definitely a violation.


ETA - Anyone can ask me to do anything. It doesn't mean that I am required to comply with their request. It is not a violation to simply ask. However, when an officer uses their authority, uniform, or badge to 'force' someone to comply with their request, it is a violation - whether it be in the realm of firearms or any other area of daily activities. There is also a fine line between an officer sincerely asking for a compromise and that officer demanding a change even if that demand is phrased in the form of a 'request'.

 

[Roadie]

Anyone have Bryan's email address??? Maybe a little "suggestion" from his 2A friends is in order?

I know he has a Facebook page, but I have asked him about his stance on OC there in the past, and he never responded..

 

[Hoosierdood]

I know he has a Facebook page, but I have asked him about his stance on OC there in the past, and he never responded..

I just posted on his Facebook page.

 

[snowrs]

Can anyone give me more info on the 2A meeting in Evansville, with all that has been happening down here it's time to get involved.

 

[Kirk Freeman]

One minute my client was enjoying a nice afternoon at the zoo. 10 minutes later, he's being physically forced out of the facility by four uniformed officers - having never broken an existing law, and merely for speaking up for his legal rights.

Was he drinking coffee? I know that sets the police off.

I can testify as an expert witness on that. I bill in ammunition.

 

[jgreiner]

Here is the link: Gun-toting man at Mesker Zoo causes commotion | POLL » Evansville Courier & Press

I am very surprised at the comments of Bryan Ciyou. One would think the author of an Indiana firearms reference manual would understand our new preemption statute and an Indiana citizen's right to OC.

It is fundamentally wrong to say "the police were correct to request the man to hide the gun from public view." On city property, it was ILLEGAL for police to order my client to conceal his firearm.

By the way, there is a poll attached to the article. INGOers should express their opinion.

Guy

Voted no.

 

[henktermaat]

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Indiana-Firearms-Law-Reference-Manual-3rd-Edition/110804665644590

 

[GuyRelford]

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