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  • Kutnupe14

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    Just read a artical in the Evansville Courier Press about the guy at the zoo. They are trying to make him sound like a fool, even had a lawyer from Indy say that he should have concealed his gun when asked. Sounds like some liberal BS to me!

    link? That doesn't help the city's case b/c it implies that carrying is legal.
     

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    The EPD has a pretty good reputation. I don't think we have real thugs on the force. I'm NOT surprised that the "perp" (sorry about that, Mr. Frost:D) didn't accidently fall down and get his arm broken, face scratched or noggin smacked.

    EPD was the original department in the case that ISSC Justice David used as a basis for the essential gutting of our 4th Amendment protections.
     

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    Dang, I'm recanting what I said earlier. This should be an easy pro-2nd win..... assumng the law is followed.

    I'd be pissed too if I was expelled for a legal act because it offends the "sensiblilities" of others. I'm not an OC fan, but legal is legal.

    And using children as a defense... please. Children see countless violent ats related to firearms every day; and it's not just the adult programming. Transformers anyone? Walk into the boys section of any toy section, and you'll find action figures with more "play" firepower than a Navy Seal detactment. Do parents damage that these films not be shown? Do they demand that these toys be taken off the shelves? Parents have the choice whether or not to expose their child to such things. And unless the person at Mesker was holding people by the scalp forcing them to look at his firearm, they still had a choice. They could leave anytime they wanted. It's not their right to impose their sense of what is correct upon others, especially, when the actions of the person in question are 100% legal.

    :xmad: ok ok ok even though I know no one will disagree with me, I had to rant.
     

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    Dang, I'm recanting what I said earlier. This should be an easy pro-2nd win..... assumng the law is followed.

    I'd be pissed too if I was expelled for a legal act because it offends the "sensiblilities" of others. I'm not an OC fan, but legal is legal.

    And using children as a defense... please. Children see countless violent ats related to firearms every day; and it's not just the adult programming. Transformers anyone? Walk into the boys section of any toy section, and you'll find action figures with more "play" firepower than a Navy Seal detactment. Do parents damage that these films not be shown? Do they demand that these toys be taken off the shelves? Parents have the choice whether or not to expose their child to such things. And unless the person at Mesker was holding people by the scalp forcing them to look at his firearm, they still had a choice. They could leave anytime they wanted. It's not their right to impose their sense of what is correct upon others, especially, when the actions of the person in question are 100% legal.

    :xmad: ok ok ok even though I know no one will disagree with me, I had to rant.

    Wow, seems like an awful lot of inner turmoil to not violate our rights :D
     

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    Wow***,,I attempted to post a comment on the papers' website and got a screen that says that my thoughts needed to be 'reviewed by the staff' prior to them being posted.....

    Guess I'll have to see if it gets posted. :dunno:
     

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    It sounds like someone should goto the zoo, pick a shirt color, tell tke zoo they don't like that color and have them leave.
     

    bigus_D

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    "A man who caused a commotion recently when he refused to conceal his handgun while at Mesker Park Zoo & Botanic Garden was within his rights to do so..."

    I think they meant: "The police caused a commotion recently when a man refused the unlawful order to conceal his handgun while at Mesker Park Zoo & Botanic Garden because he was within his rights to do so..."

    Or perhaps they meant exact what they said... I'm surprised at the bias of their "reporting".

    I just don't believe anybody was causing a scene until the cops came along making up laws as they go. I can't wait to hear the outcome! I hope it is posted here.

    Ps please let us know when this thread is read in court!
     

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    Wow***,,I attempted to post a comment on the papers' website and got a screen that says that my thoughts needed to be 'reviewed by the staff' prior to them being posted.....

    Guess I'll have to see if it gets posted. :dunno:

    Why do I doubt that they will find any thoughts that most of us will have as acceptable... they might create a scene after all.
     

    Hoosierdood

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    Here is the link: Gun-toting man at Mesker Zoo causes commotion | POLL » Evansville Courier & Press

    I am very surprised at the comments of Bryan Ciyou. One would think the author of an Indiana firearms reference manual would understand our new preemption statute and an Indiana citizen's right to OC.

    It is fundamentally wrong to say "the police were correct to request the man to hide the gun from public view." On city property, it was ILLEGAL for police to order my client to conceal his firearm.

    By the way, there is a poll attached to the article. INGOers should express their opinion.

    Guy


    I have stated before that Brian Ciyou IS NOT AN OPEN CARRY ADVOCATE. It is surprising that someone who has researched Indiana code so thoroughly would be opposed to open carry, but he is. I stated this in another thread:
    I bought Brian Ciyou's book at the last 1500. As I was reading it, I found his position on concealed carry stated in the Q&A section of his book. He states on page 199 under the License to Carry section:
    ...all prudent Licensees will carry his or her handgun in a concealed manner for several reasons. <snip> ...exposed carry invites the person to be a target by a criminal in criminal activity; there is no element of surprise.
     

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    Why do I doubt that they will find any thoughts that most of us will have as acceptable... they might create a scene after all.


    It does seem that the only comments that have been 'reviewed and allowed' are ones that in one way or another support the view of the Courier Press....

    Maybe it's the 'IndianaGunToter' screen name I chose to post under? :D :dunno:
     

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    Here's the Facebook page for Mesker Park Zoo. Hmmm....

    http://www.facebook.com/#!/MeskerParkZoo


    The City of Evansville does not have a FB site.

    Update, here's what I posted on Mesker Park's FB site:

    After reading about Mesker Park's illegal policy of evicting lawfully licensed persons practicing their 2nd Amendment rights, my family will not be frequenting your establishment. You at Mesker Park should read up on Indiana Code. You should also understand that the lawfully licensed gun owner is not the threat. The threat comes from those who do not have any concern for the law and they will most likely carry anyway, regardless of any policy.
     
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    GuyRelford

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    I have stated before that Brian Ciyou IS NOT AN OPEN CARRY ADVOCATE. It is surprising that someone who has researched Indiana code so thoroughly would be opposed to open carry, but he is. I stated this in another thread:

    It's not just open carry - I refused to buy the third edition of his book after I read in the second edition (the red one) that if a person breaks into your home and is swinging a baseball bat at you, you should flee your home instead of defending yourself. (Page 115.)

    His point is that there is a "reasonableness" component to the Castle Doctrine statute (just like every other provision of Indiana's self-defense statute), but that comment is fundamentally inconsistent with the meaning of the Castle Doctrine, including the express statement in the statute that there is no duty to retreat.

    With that background, I guess I shouldn't be surprised that he apparently doesn't understand the preemption statute either.

    I do acknowledge Kirk's point that Bryan may have been misquoted or had his comments taken out of context. As an INGO advertiser, I assume Bryan will say so here if that's true.

    Guy
     
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    jedi

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    What pictures? Are you saying you got your picture taken when you applied for your LTCH? I live right next door(Warrick Co) and I didn't.


    Yes. When I applied, I was told that they were/have a photo data base that they keep on all applicants. I was not given an option but was made to believe that this is " procedure " . I question this and wonder the true reasoning since I have already provided all information to the state. Have been told by license branch that they can see that I have a license to carry, when I was stopped by ISP they asked if I was carrying, all information is provided when they " run " your drivers license.

    We have had several Officers on here confirm many times that LTCH info is NOT on the DL database. If they knew you had one, they either looked it up in a separate system, or perhaps you have a pro gun bumper sticker?

    As for the picture? Not legally required.. They lied to you.


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    Roadie correct the LTCH info is NOT in the Indiana DMW Driver's License database. btgarner0 was referrig to the "database" that the local PD (evansville I think) kept/keeps on all LTCH applications that they took/take. They had the practice of keeping a local database until (now) Senator T. Jones put a stop to it. he (before he became senator) was also photoed I think and that cause him to run for office (part of it) and get the issue fixed. I don't thik that the local PD is going that anymore but not sure what they did with the old data that had.

    I have stated before that Brian Ciyou IS NOT AN OPEN CARRY ADVOCATE. It is surprising that someone who has researched Indiana code so thoroughly would be opposed to open carry, but he is. I stated this in another thread:

    ^THIS! :+1:

    My personal view of Ciyou is almost on par with the NRA. They are "semi" pro-2A.
     

    GuyRelford

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    Bryan is right, the police can ASK you to conceal. You can refuse.

    No, he was quoted as saying the police were CORRECT to ask my client to conceal his handgun. That is absolutely wrong. And even "asking" someone to conceal, under the authority of a uniform and a badge, is an attempt to enforce an illegal policy on the "carrying of firearms."

    And for the sake of accuracy, my client wasn't "asked" to do anything.

    Guy
     
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