Evansville Sued for Violating Gun Owner's Rights

[jojoa55]

went ahead and voted no on the poll. Good luck TF and TFT!

 

[Roadie]

These situations are proof that people aren't really scared, just expressing mock "outrage" or "offense". What logical sense does it make to have someone cover something you are scared of?

"Oh, phew! I feel SO much safer now, I can't SEE that awful gun.."

 

[Bill of Rights]

I do not believe that Mr. Ciyou will be responding. I don't think he's even registered a username here. From what I've seen, he's very pro-2A, he simply disagrees with the wisdom of OCing. Hell, for that matter, *I* disagree with the wisdom of carrying in "DTC" (that is, with the gun Duct Tape Carried to my forehead. It's completely legal; am I anti-2A for disagreeing with it? The man has a right to his opinion. Also, let's not forget that the 3rd ed. of his book was written and published long before the recent changes enacted by SEA 292.

Please don't think I'm arguing with you, I'm wanting to learn. Here's a scenario, when are the police actions illegal?

MWAG on public property.
1 approach and ask for LTCH
2 state that they received a call
3 state that OC can cause people to call police
4 ask if OCer would be willing to conceal, or
4 tell OCer that they need to conceal
5 escort OC er off property.

IMHO, they are within their authority to approach and ask for LTCH, to state that they received a call and to state that OC can cause those calls.
It gets questionable after that, as up to that point, their actions can be called educating the public. (it's a stretch, but they can justify it that way)
It might be OK to ask if the OCer would be willing to conceal IF they made it very clear that it's only a request and that nothing will happen if the answer is "no". Note that I said it "might be OK".
Example:
LEO (after seeing and verifying LTCH): "Sir, I can't ask you officially to conceal your pistol. I'd like for you to do so, so that no one else gets called out to see your license again later, but it's entirely your choice. I'm just thinking it would keep you from being disturbed the rest of your day. Either way, I'm going to say "Thank you", wish you a good day, get in my car and leave. "

(Don't read more into that than is there... it's not like, "you have a beautiful family, be a shame if anything was to happen to them."

Telling him he had to leave or forcing him to leave is a good way to ensure that you meet Guy Relford.

Hope that helps!
Blessings,
Bill

 

[hoosierdoc]

It seems like this article was published as a cover for the city and to taint potential jury pool if it comes to that. Why wait 9 days and give a completely one sided story? Very fishy and awful reporting.

 

[henktermaat]

went ahead and voted no on the poll. Good luck TF and TFT!

 

[henktermaat]

So much win in these comments:

 

[Roadie]

I just posted on his Facebook page.

...and I as well.

 

[Roadie]

From the https://www.facebook.com/WTHR13 post:

Bruce Campbell As a firearms instructor I don't necessarily agree with people wanting to open carry. I don't have a problem that it is legal however, It's just something that I believe makes one a target instead of a deterrent. That being said, this person was within his rights. I would also like to see Indiana adopt a policy that all applicants must obtain some formal training such as an NRA firearms class or a CCW class from a certified instructor from another State. Although I am a firm believer in the 2nd amendment, I have seen far too many people come to my CCW classes that are already LTCH holders and do not have a clue about gun safety or proper CCW mindsets and responsibilities. The State should also make avaliable an LTCH brochure that informs the new LTCH holder of some very important laws, rules, etc. much like Ohio and other states do. There are too many people carrying guns that are ignorant of gun safety, cannot shoot properly, and think that it is legal to shoot someone who comes on their property, which as we all know, it not the case. Guns don't kill. .................Stupid people or bad people kill.

My response:

The "open carry makes you a target" position is a myth. You can find more cases where a gun was a deterrent.
A firearms instructor that wants it made law that someone has to take instruction to exercise a Right. hmmm

 

[jedi]

From the https://www.facebook.com/WTHR13 post:

My response:

"Although I am a firm believer in the 2nd amendment" what a liar he is!
(No not you Roadie you are just quoting him)

The 2A says SHALL NOT INFRINGE meaning any free man/women can keep & bear arms (handgun, longgun, lightsaber, sword, etc.) WITHOUT the need for any type of permit PERIOD!

That instructor is just looking at his own profit of having to "instructor" people per his "new state law".

 

[jmiller676]

I do not believe that Mr. Ciyou will be responding. I don't think he's even registered a username here. From what I've seen, he's very pro-2A, he simply disagrees with the wisdom of OCing. Hell, for that matter, *I* disagree with the wisdom of carrying in "DTC" (that is, with the gun Duct Tape Carried to my forehead. It's completely legal; am I anti-2A for disagreeing with it? The man has a right to his opinion. Also, let's not forget that the 3rd ed. of his book was written and published long before the recent changes enacted by SEA 292.



IMHO, they are within their authority to approach and ask for LTCH, to state that they received a call and to state that OC can cause those calls.
It gets questionable after that, as up to that point, their actions can be called educating the public. (it's a stretch, but they can justify it that way)
It might be OK to ask if the OCer would be willing to conceal IF they made it very clear that it's only a request and that nothing will happen if the answer is "no". Note that I said it "might be OK".
Example:
LEO (after seeing and verifying LTCH): "Sir, I can't ask you officially to conceal your pistol. I'd like for you to do so, so that no one else gets called out to see your license again later, but it's entirely your choice. I'm just thinking it would keep you from being disturbed the rest of your day. Either way, I'm going to say "Thank you", wish you a good day, get in my car and leave. "

(Don't read more into that than is there... it's not like, "you have a beautiful family, be a shame if anything was to happen to them."

Telling him he had to leave or forcing him to leave is a good way to ensure that you meet Guy Relford.

Hope that helps!
Blessings,
Bill

If only things were that easy.

 

[phatgemi]

From the https://www.facebook.com/WTHR13 post:

My response:

Note with interest that you CANNOT access WTHR facebook unless you turn OFF your secure browsing......Hmmmmmm, guess I won't go!

 

[Hammerhead]

I have secure browsing and I accessed it.

 

[GuyRelford]

[edit)

 

[goinggreyfast]

Here's the Facebook page for Mesker Park Zoo. Hmmm....

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The City of Evansville does not have a FB site.

Update, here's what I posted on Mesker Park's FB site:

After reading about Mesker Park's illegal policy of evicting lawfully licensed persons practicing their 2nd Amendment rights, my family will not be frequenting your establishment. You at Mesker Park should read up on Indiana Code. You should also understand that the lawfully licensed gun owner is not the threat. The threat comes from those who do not have any concern for the law and they will most likely carry anyway, regardless of any policy.

My FB post on the Mesker Park Zoo Site was pulled. Whodathunkit?

 

[jedi]

My FB post on the Mesker Park Zoo Site was pulled. Whodathunkit?

Me. NOT! will be .
No amount of telling them that bad things can happen anywhere will ever help them. Let the go quietly into the night.

 

[Roadie]

Does anyone else find it irresponsible for Mr. Ciyou to negatively comment on what he knows is an ongoing lawsuit?

 

[hoosierdoc]

Poll has two yes answers and a No. One of the Yes ones tries to give the "no" voters some wiggle room to vote yes. Ridiculous one sided posting AND poll questions leading the answers.

How about "sir, would you like to apologize for exposing yourself to a woman yesterday" yes/no. How about "no, I didn't do that" instead of "no, I won't apologize"

We can't accept the premise of him "hurting someone" as the justification in the poll

 

[rmabrey]

I propose everyone that can make the next 1500 that bought his book politely return it to him and be sure to explain why you are doing so. (not my idea, credit goes to SJ)

 

[TTravis]

Guy,

I hope in your interview, you tell them how the situation should have been handled. The police, upon verification of LTCH should have shook the guys hand in a very friendly and public way so that anyone concerned and watching would understand that he was doing nothing wrong.

It will take some time for the public to adjust to this new law.

 

[goinggreyfast]

Quote from a poster on the Channel 13 Facebook thread

"Ashley Evans: @Richard U werent there. I was. I live in Evansville and had decided to take my siblings to the zoo before it started getting too cold. They asked him to conceal it once because of the young children, and he started throwing a fit, yelling about how he shouldnt have to cover his gun because parents shelter their children. Now I agree that we should be allowed to carry our guns wherever, but that man was scaring my siblings and many other children there"

Next poster:

"Tiffy Bouse Ashley, that's BS. That man should not have had to carry it. Just because he got upset, does not mean he was going to use it. He's got more brains than that. Maybe they families upset about it shouldn't watch tv or buy their kids toy guns."



PLEASE NOTE: I'm not saying anything contrary to our INGO friend, just posting what has been put up on another public forum.