Daylight Saving Time

[chipbennett]

That is also when the dew falls, I like DD don’t mow wet grass…

Dew forms when the air temperature drops below the dew point, which generally doesn't happen until about 6:00AM (except for exceedingly humid days and/or rainy days) at the peak of summer (when humidity is highest).

For reference, these are averages:

Indianapolis August 14 Weather, Average Temperature (Indiana, United States) - Weather Spark

On August 14, the temperature in Indianapolis typically ranges from 66°F to 82°F and is rarely below 58°F or above 90°F.

weatherspark.com

The average dew point at the same time of the year is around 64F. Average air temperature at 9:00PM is 75F.

 

[Hawkeye7br]

Living along the time zone line probably gives a different perspective of DST. My Illinois coworkers experienced sunset at the same moment we did, but had an hour less daylight after work/school to enjoy outdoor activities. It's not just about mowing grass. People have less time for ball practice, tennis, biking, gardening, time at the shooting range, etc. For those of us who like to play/work outside, it enhances our lives.

 

[chipbennett]

Living along the time zone line probably gives a different perspective of DST. My Illinois coworkers experienced sunset at the same moment we did, but had an hour less daylight after work/school to enjoy outdoor activities. It's not just about mowing grass. People have less time for ball practice, tennis, biking, gardening, time at the shooting range, etc. For those of us who like to play/work outside, it enhances our lives.

Most of those activities can be done with artificial light. I played a lot of tennis under the lights in high school. Ball fields most/all have lights. Biking can be done in the dark (reflective safety gear, or...lights). Gardening can be done with a work light. I'm guessing outdoor shooting ranges don't generally have lights, so that one will have some limits.

 

[Hawkeye7br]

This rabbit trail is addressing the incorrect claim that trees and houses cause a premature nautical twilight. The underlying point remains that, during civil twilight, there is sufficient ambient light to mow a lawn.

Arguments like this is why our gun club had to change the rules from "No shooting after dark" to "No shooting after sunset". And we post dates and corresponding time of sunset each month.

Then there was this conversation...

Board guy: "Hey guys, you have to stop shooting, it's after dark"

Member: "we can still see to shoot"

Board guy: "your truck headlights are on"

Member: "that's so we can pick up our stuff"

 

[chipbennett]

Arguments like this is why our gun club had to change the rules from "No shooting after dark" to "No shooting after sunset". And we post dates and corresponding time of sunset each month.

Then there was this conversation...

Board guy: "Hey guys, you have to stop shooting, it's after dark"

Member: "we can still see to shoot"

Board guy: "your truck headlights are on"

Member: "that's so we can pick up our stuff"

Sure. Because the amount of ambient light necessary to shoot safely on a range is different from the amount of ambient light necessary to mow grass.

 

[BugI02]

That is also when the dew falls, I like DD don’t mow wet grass…

Uhhh, dew forms when the temperature-dew point spread becomes ≤ 3 degrees F and peaks at the dew point. While more common when radiational cooling is going on, non-daylight hours are not always sufficient to cause dew. Generally, not much more than 20 Fahrenheit degrees of cooling will take place during the entire overnight period and a temperature-dew point spread of much over 20 degrees will not result in the formation of dew. The likelihood of dew formation immediately after sundown would require a very low spread and be about as likely as fog under the same conditions

 

[Ingomike]

Dew forms when the air temperature drops below the dew point, which generally doesn't happen until about 6:00AM (except for exceedingly humid days and/or rainy days) at the peak of summer (when humidity is highest).

For reference, these are averages:

Indianapolis August 14 Weather, Average Temperature (Indiana, United States) - Weather Spark

On August 14, the temperature in Indianapolis typically ranges from 66°F to 82°F and is rarely below 58°F or above 90°F.

weatherspark.com

The average dew point at the same time of the year is around 64F. Average air temperature at 9:00PM is 75F.

Maybe you need to get out more because whatever that is not how it works. In the summer I sit out a lot and it is not uncommon for the grass to be wet an hour or so after sunset…

 

[jamil]

Why should the rest of the world have to adjust the clock to accommodate his personal choices?

But you’re talking about a specific person. I get to say what my preferences are. I don’t have to prefer the way you want. We have a system to figure out whose preferences end up as policy.

Right now, with the exception of clock flippin’, I like DST. I just want it year round. If I get a vote on that, don’t be surprised if my teeny tiny little portion of sayso is spent preferring permanent DST.

 

[jamil]

It depends on what work is being done. Lawn mowing can take place safely at least through civil twilight.

Again, I get to determine what I’d rather have. You get to determine what you’d rather have. We just don’t get to determine what policy is. But. If you don’t like DST, like our friend @ATM advocates, keep the time you want. There’s no law says you must set your clock to what the government says is the time.

 

[KLB]

As funny as that soundbite is, imma denny that up a little. He was referring to nautical twilight not DST.

Do I really have to explain what I was saying?

 

[KLB]

Living along the time zone line probably gives a different perspective of DST. My Illinois coworkers experienced sunset at the same moment we did, but had an hour less daylight after work/school to enjoy outdoor activities. It's not just about mowing grass. People have less time for ball practice, tennis, biking, gardening, time at the shooting range, etc. For those of us who like to play/work outside, it enhances our lives.

I find it funny that the answer to that isn't to change your schedule so that you are free earlier to enjoy said light, but rather to just pretend it is now later than it is instead.

 

[chipbennett]

Maybe you need to get out more because whatever that is not how it works. In the summer I sit out a lot and it is not uncommon for the grass to be wet an hour or so after sunset…

Well, that's how dew works. There can be other, localized conditions (evaporation from earlier rain or lawn watering, etc.) of course. But until the air temperature drops below the dew point (which is a function of humidity), dew will not form.

 

[chipbennett]

Again, I get to determine what I’d rather have. You get to determine what you’d rather have. We just don’t get to determine what policy is. But. If you don’t like DST, like our friend @ATM advocates, keep the time you want. There’s no law says you must set your clock to what the government says is the time.

You are free to do whatever you prefer. The question is why everyone should be forced to change clocks to accommodate your personal preference?

 

[Ingomike]

I find it funny that the answer to that isn't to change your schedule so that you are free earlier to enjoy said light, but rather to just pretend it is now later than it is instead.

Can we agree that time is a man made construct?

That in that construct people must reach a consensus as to what time it is worldwide?

That anyone who wishes a different time is able to set their own time.

There is no pretend, time is what the consensus says it is.

The shifting of time in reality is shifting the society within the hours of daylight.

There is no momentum to change from what we currently have, after a few politicians did their grandstand it was all quiet.

 

[Ingomike]

You are free to do whatever you prefer. The question is why everyone should be forced to change clocks to accommodate your personal preference?

Because that is what was passed when it was up for discussion and there is no momentum to do something different…

 

[chipbennett]

Can we agree that time is a man made construct?

That in that construct people must reach a consensus as to what time it is worldwide?

That anyone who wishes a different time is able to set their own time.

There is no pretend, time is what the consensus says it is.

The shifting of time in reality is shifting the society within the hours of daylight.

There is no momentum to change from what we currently have, after a few politicians did their grandstand it was all quiet.

Time is certainly not a "man-made construct".

How time is measured and divided is, at least in part, a man-made construct. There are some natural, physical/astronomical, constructs on how time is measured: days as based on the rotation of the earth, months as based on the orbit of the moon around the earth, years as based on orbit of the earth around the sun, seasons as based on the axis of the earth's rotation and the elliptical nature of the earth's orbit, etc. But there are other ways to subdivide the measurement of time, and those can be man-made.

 

[Ingomike]

Time is certainly not a "man-made construct".

How time is measured and divided is, at least in part, a man-made construct. There are some natural, physical/astronomical, constructs on how time is measured: days as based on the rotation of the earth, months as based on the orbit of the moon around the earth, years as based on orbit of the earth around the sun, seasons as based on the axis of the earth's rotation and the elliptical nature of the earth's orbit, etc. But there are other ways to subdivide the measurement of time, and those can be man-made.

Time as we know it was a system devised by the railroads as a continuity across areas where the sunrises varied by hours.

 

[chipbennett]

Time as we know it was a system devised by the railroads as a continuity across areas where the sunrises varied by hours.

You're talking about the clock. "Clock" != "Time". A clock is a means of sub-dividing time.

Sorry to break it to you, though; but the 24-hour day long predates railroads. The Egyptians first used a 24-hour day, and 13th-century Muslims first used a sundial subdivided into 24 hours.

 

[Hatin Since 87]

I, for one, wish we would stop all this silliness and just move our clocks forward 30 seconds on each sunday until we reach the hour forward mark, and then begin changing them 30 seconds backwards every sunday.

This sounds much less intrusive and does not interfere so drastically with my sleep schedule.

 

[Ingomike]

I, for one, wish we would stop all this silliness and just move our clocks forward 30 seconds on each sunday until we reach the hour forward mark, and then begin changing them 30 seconds backwards every sunday.

This sounds much less intrusive and does not interfere so drastically with my sleep schedule.

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