Christmas gift for preacher.

[Bennettjh]

Hello INGO,

A group of folks (7-8 people) at our church would like to get our preacher a rifle for Christmas. My question is would that be legal? Every person will chip in X amount of dollars to get it. Our preacher is a "proper person" and the folks chipping in are "proper persons".

Any help is greatly appreciated.

 

[rvb]

http://www.atf.gov/files/forms/download/atf-f-4473-1.pdf

See instructions for question 11.a. on pg 4.
(won't let me cut/paste for some reason)

short version.... gifts are ok (note, recipient of gift must be in the same state).

-rvb

 

[TheWabbit]

He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.” - Luke 22:36, NIV

 

[SkullDaddy.45]

Im not sure about the legality of it, but the Coolness factor is simply heavenly!! Lucky preacher.

 

[Miketodd]

Do it! My father is a pastor and his mens bible study bought him a G27 for a christmas gift several years go. He carries it daily and treasures that pistol more than any of his other guns.

 

[Bennettjh]

http://www.atf.gov/files/forms/download/atf-f-4473-1.pdf

See instructions for question 11.a. on pg 4.
(won't let me cut/paste for some reason)

short version.... gifts are ok (note, recipient of gift must be in the same state).

-rvb

So it looks like we're good to go. Good point about the state. We're all in Indiana.

 

[cosermann]

Buying a gun (you are the buyer) to give as a gift (for your purposes), is legal unless something has changed.

Assuming you have no reason to believe the recipient isn't a proper person.

 

[Mgderf]

Buying a gun (you are the buyer) to give as a gift (for your purposes), is legal unless something has changed.

Assuming you have no reason to believe the recipient isn't a proper person.

^ This exactly.

Check through my started threads and you'll find I've gifted several Crikett rifles to members kids on several different occasions.

You are good to go, as long as the preacher remains a "proper person", and is a same state resident.
The folks chipping in money have nothing to do with the sale legally.

Only the buyer, and in this case the giftee(?) recipient.

 

[Hoosierdood]

You may purchase a firearm as a gift as long as there is no exchange of money, items, work done, sexual favors, etc. I've had to deny a firearm sale before because I overheard a dad telling his son (as he was filling out the 4473) that he would buy the gun for him, but that the son would have to work all summer to pay him back. That's a straw purchase, not a gift. As long as there is no exchange of goods or services, and is a legitimate gift with no strings attached... you are good to go.

 

[Winamac]

Hello INGO,

A group of folks (7-8 people) at our church would like to get our preacher a rifle for Christmas. My question is would that be legal? Every person will chip in X amount of dollars to get it. Our preacher is a "proper person" and the folks chipping in are "proper persons".

Any help is greatly appreciated.

That is sooo kool. Awesome idea.

 

[Bennettjh]

Thanks for all the replies. I have done some research on gifting a gun so we're good there. My main concern was multiple people giving the money to purchase it. Thanks again.

 

[Cool Breeze]

I'm a pastor, and a proper person... soo.... hintity hint hint.

 

[other dave]

You may purchase a firearm as a gift as long as there is no exchange of money, items, work done, sexual favors, etc. I've had to deny a firearm sale before because I overheard a dad telling his son (as he was filling out the 4473) that he would buy the gun for him, but that the son would have to work all summer to pay him back. That's a straw purchase, not a gift. As long as there is no exchange of goods or services, and is a legitimate gift with no strings attached... you are good to go.

That's darn good info. Gift is one thing, but buying it as a trade for services rendered is not?

 

[PastorBlaster]

Okay - now I'm jealous. Perhaps someone can forward this thread on to everyone in my congregation...

 

[other dave]

Okay - now I'm jealous. Perhaps someone can forward this thread on to everyone in my congregation...

Exodus 20:17 - Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

 

[seeker1321]

Some of the men from my church did this for our pastor in October for Pastor's Appreciation Month. We all chipped in and got him a two barrel Mossberg 500 kit, with a few boxes of ammo. We had a potluck dinner at a church member's house that had enough land to go shooting on. After dinner we presented it to him, and then went out back and let him try it out. We decided to present it at a private dinner rather then in front of the whole congregation due to mixed views on firearms by different members of the church. Also we made clear that it was a gift from the individuals that contributed and not a gift from the church.

 

[Leo]

Hello INGO,

A group of folks (7-8 people) at our church would like to get our preacher a rifle for Christmas

I must be doing something wrong, I usually just get gift certificates for coffee shops.

 

[Bennettjh]

I'm glad to see folks have done this before with good results. I'm sure our preacher will be happy.

 

[IndyDave1776]

Buying a gun (you are the buyer) to give as a gift (for your purposes), is legal unless something has changed.

Assuming you have no reason to believe the recipient isn't a proper person.

If you don't believe your pastor is a proper person, you really need to rethink some things!

 

[Leo]

If you don't believe your pastor is a proper person, you really need to rethink some things!

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