This is basically the answer. Before everyone screams "but they can't pull you over to check your driver's license", go read the statutes requiring a drivers license and the one creating an exception for those with a LTCH.
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This is basically the answer. Before everyone screams "but they can't pull you over to check your driver's license", go read the statutes requiring a drivers license and the one creating an exception for those with a LTCH.
Joe
E5RANGER375
Shooter
a firearm or; a pistol?
its my understanding that no license is needed to openly carry a long gun in public. am i wrong?
You are correct. The bulk of the Indiana laws address "handguns", not long guns. There is no license for carrying long guns, though there still are restrictions on where they can be taken.
Fixed in post #29
E5RANGER375
Shooter
AH, thanks. thats was as far as i had read when i made the post.
I have been at atterbury when the CO has come and checked licenses. ive seen it twice, that i can remember. i thought it was un-constitutional, kinda like a DWI checkpoint.
In the defense of the DNR ranges, they have posted signs about having a LTCH to fire handguns. They do not accept Illinois FOID cards as a permit. Long guns appear exempt. The technical side of minors in possesion of handguns on a public range appear as a violation, however if a LTCH parent is alongside and instructing I think most range officials would qualify it as okay. To instruct both of my sons, they fired revolvers and 45 ACP to understand the recoil and operation. Never had any questions from range officers. Even though I was a LEO, my interest was not to police the DNR range. The CO's I knew would not have time or resources to check every shooter on the range. Sounds like an Adam12 radio announcement "See the man" thing.
Kids are OK when supervised by an adult at an established range or where discharge of a firearm is not prohibited, or while hunting, or in a competition, or travelling with an unloaded firearm to and from the activity, or on property under control of an adult family member and has permission from a parent to possess the firearm.
Adults ARE NOT exempted nor protected by any such law, AFAIK, IANAL, etc. Does shooting a handgun at a range fall under "shall not carry a handgun... on or about the person's body when a buddy (or an NRA Instructor for that matter) standing next you has a LTCH?" Is "holding and shooting" the same thing as "carry on our about [your] person?"
A prosecutor could certainly make the case. However I know of no case law.
An actual lawyer here has said "GET THE LICENSE!" Every class we teach we emphasise that if you are over 18 and there is a handgun in the home, "get the license." Even if your thinking about getting a handgun, get the license. $125 and a couple hours of your time will save you thousands.
IC 35-47-2-1
Carrying a handgun without a license or by person convicted of domestic battery
Sec. 1. (a) Except as provided in subsection (b) and section 2 of this chapter, a person shall not carry a handgun in any vehicle or on or about the person's body, except in the person's dwelling, on the person's property or fixed place of business, without a license issued under this chapter being in the person's possession.
IC 35-47-2.5-14
Providing handgun to ineligible purchaser; exemptions
Sec. 14. (a) This section does not apply to a person who provides a handgun to the following:
(1) A child who is attending a hunters safety course or a firearms safety course or an adult who is supervising the child during the course.
(2) A child engaging in practice in using a firearm for target shooting at an established range or in an area where the discharge of a firearm is not prohibited or is supervised by:
(A) a qualified firearms instructor; or
(B) an adult who is supervising the child while the child is at the range.
(3) A child engaging in an organized competition involving the use of a firearm or participating in or practicing for a performance by an organized group under Section 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code that uses firearms as a part of a performance or an adult who is involved in the competition or performance.
(4) A child who is hunting or trapping under a valid license issued to the child under IC 14-22.
(5) A child who is traveling with an unloaded firearm to or from an activity described in this section.
(6) A child who:
(A) is on real property that is under the control of the child's parent, an adult family member of the child, or the child's legal guardian; and
(B) has permission from the child's parent or legal guardian to possess a firearm.
(b) A person who purchases a handgun with the intent to:
(1) resell or otherwise provide the handgun to another person who the person knows or has reason to believe is ineligible for any reason to purchase or otherwise receive from a dealer a handgun; or
(2) transport the handgun out of the state to be resold or otherwise provided to another person who the transferor knows is ineligible to purchase or otherwise receive a firearm;
commits a Class D felony.
(c) If the violation of this section involves a transfer of more than one (1) handgun, the offense is a Class C felony.
IC 35-47-10
Chapter 10. Children and Firearms
IC 35-47-10-1
Exemptions from chapter
Sec. 1. This chapter does not apply to the following:
(1) A child who is attending a hunters safety course or a firearms safety course or an adult who is supervising the child during the course.
(2) A child engaging in practice in using a firearm for target shooting at an established range or in an area where the discharge of a firearm is not prohibited or supervised by:
(A) a qualified firearms instructor; or
(B) an adult who is supervising the child while the child is at the range.
(3) A child engaging in an organized competition involving the use of a firearm or participating in or practicing for a performance by an organized group under Section 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code that uses firearms as a part of a performance or an adult who is involved in the competition or performance.
(4) A child who is hunting or trapping under a valid license issued to the child under IC 14-22.
(5) A child who is traveling with an unloaded firearm to or from an activity described in this section.
(6) A child who:
(A) is on real property that is under the control of the child's parent, an adult family member of the child, or the child's legal guardian; and
(B) has permission from the child's parent or legal guardian to possess a firearm.
(7) A child who:
(A) is at the child's residence; and
(B) has the permission of the child's parent, an adult family member of the child, or the child's legal guardian to possess a firearm.
As added by P.L.140-1994, SEC.12. Amended by P.L.1-1995, SEC.78; P.L.203-1996, SEC.2.
IC 35-47-10-2
"Adult" defined
Sec. 2. As used in this chapter, "adult" means a person who is at least eighteen (18) years of age.
As added by P.L.140-1994, SEC.12.
IC 35-47-10-3
"Child" defined
Sec. 3. As used in this chapter, "child" means a person who is less than eighteen (18) years of age.
As added by P.L.140-1994, SEC.12.
IC 35-47-10-4
"Loaded" defined
Sec. 4. As used in this chapter, "loaded" means having any of the following:
(1) A cartridge in the chamber or cylinder of a firearm.
(2) Ammunition in close proximity to a firearm so that a person can readily place the ammunition in the firearm.
As added by P.L.140-1994, SEC.12. Amended by P.L.203-1996, SEC.3.
IC 35-47-10-5
Dangerous possession of a firearm
Sec. 5. A child who knowingly, intentionally, or recklessly:
(1) possesses a firearm for any purpose other than a purpose described in section 1 of this chapter; or
(2) provides a firearm to another child with or without remuneration for any purpose other than a purpose described in section 1 of this chapter;
commits dangerous possession of a firearm, a Class A misdemeanor. However, the offense is a Class C felony if the child has a prior conviction under this section.
As added by P.L.140-1994, SEC.12. Amended by P.L.203-1996, SEC.4.
IC 35-47-10-6
Dangerous control of a firearm
Sec. 6. An adult who knowingly, intentionally, or recklessly provides a firearm to a child for any purpose other than those described in section 1 of this chapter, with or without remuneration, commits dangerous control of a firearm, a Class C felony. However, the offense is a Class B felony if the adult has a prior conviction under this section.
As added by P.L.140-1994, SEC.12. Amended by P.L.203-1996, SEC.5.
IC 35-47-10-7
Permitting child to possess a firearm
Sec. 7. A child's parent or legal guardian who knowingly, intentionally, or recklessly permits the child to possess a firearm:
(1) while:
(A) aware of a substantial risk that the child will use the firearm to commit a felony; and
(B) failing to make reasonable efforts to prevent the use of a firearm by the child to commit a felony; or
(2) when the child has been convicted of a crime of violence or has been adjudicated as a juvenile for an offense that would constitute a crime of violence if the child were an adult;
commits dangerous control of a child, a Class C felony. However, the offense is a Class B felony if the child's parent or legal guardian has a prior conviction under this section.
As added by P.L.140-1994, SEC.12. Amended by P.L.203-1996, SEC.6.
IC 35-47-10-8
Term of imprisonment in addition to criminal penalty
Sec. 8. (a) In addition to any criminal penalty imposed for an offense under this chapter, the court shall order the following:
(1) That a person who has committed an offense be incarcerated for five (5) consecutive days in an appropriate facility.
(2) That the additional five (5) day term must be served within two (2) weeks after the date of sentencing.
(b) Notwithstanding IC 35-50-6, a person does not earn credit time while serving an additional five (5) day term of imprisonment imposed by a court under this section.
As added by P.L.140-1994, SEC.12.
IC 35-47-10-9
Consecutive sentences imposed
Sec. 9. A court shall impose consecutive sentences upon a person who has a conviction under this chapter and a conviction under IC 35-47-2-7.
As added by P.L.140-1994, SEC.12.
IC 35-47-10-10
Rehabilitation of child; placement in quasi-military program
Sec. 10. When sentencing a child who has committed an offense under this chapter, a court may elect to place the child in a facility that uses a quasi-military program for rehabilitative purposes.
As added by P.L.140-1994, SEC.12.
From the numerous posts on this subject, the general consensus is: still a handgun
Yep. Law does not specify that it be assembled. IIRC, the law does not even specify that if assembled it be functional. I don't have my copy handy to look, but I think I saw a case specifically on this subject in Bryan Ciyou's Indiana Handgun Law when I was looking up something else yesterday.
Get the license.
Blessings,
Bill
What? Are you saying that if I don't have my LTCH (which I'm still waiting for BTW) my friend, who has an LTCH can escort me and my gun to the range, and then I can shoot?
That doesn't sound right, because when I commence firing at the range, I am in possession of my gun somewhere other than my dwelling or fixed place of business.
Yes. The license holder transports, remains with the non-licensed shooter and then transports it back.
Possession is obviously treated differently than carrying/transporting.
I can't make a legal defense for it from the code, but it is such a common practice that the lack of charges show it to not be an issue.
Normally, at least one LTCH per group is considered satisfactory and seems to cover the rest of the group.
Hi, all, I got to page 4 before I decided to rant....
I began shooting sports about 5 years ago.....bought a pistol before I had an LTCH, no problemo buying and acquiring ammo, walking into the gun-shops' range, and shooting to my hearts content....
BUT, as soon as I leave, get to my house, from that point onward, I cannot transport said gun to the very range I shoot at, un-believable, but true. ( I did it anyway, because I was not aware of the prohibitive laws regarding it)
NOW, I want my LTCH, but they are so back-logged, it could be 6 months before I receive it, maybe longer, I have a friend who is currently on month 5 of his wait to carry....he can have one at his place of business, as a business owner, but cannot transport it off of that property....the irony is thick.
I got my LTCH permit, after a wait of 80 days, at that time, the life-time wasn't offered, so, before my permit expired, I applied for my life-time LTCH, have been told, by the officer that took my info, that if my LTCH expires before my life-time permit arrives, I can continue to carry, as long as I also carry my application receipt with me....do I want to test this ?
NO.....do I have any other option ?
NO.
If I get stopped, this will be tested, and I shall write about it here.
I am Now out....
I began shooting sports about 5 years ago.....bought a pistol before I had an LTCH, no problemo buying and acquiring ammo, walking into the gun-shops' range, and shooting to my hearts content....
BUT, as soon as I leave, get to my house, from that point onward, I cannot transport said gun to the very range I shoot at, un-believable, but true. ( I did it anyway, because I was not aware of the prohibitive laws regarding it)
NOW, I want my LTCH, but they are so back-logged, it could be 6 months before I receive it, maybe longer, I have a friend who is currently on month 5 of his wait to carry....he can have one at his place of business, as a business owner, but cannot transport it off of that property....the irony is thick.
I got my LTCH permit, after a wait of 80 days, at that time, the life-time wasn't offered, so, before my permit expired, I applied for my life-time LTCH, have been told, by the officer that took my info, that if my LTCH expires before my life-time permit arrives, I can continue to carry, as long as I also carry my application receipt with me....do I want to test this ?
NO.....do I have any other option ?
NO.
If I get stopped, this will be tested, and I shall write about it here.
I am Now out....
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*tag* I am now in!
That is actually true. Test away.
The rest is still rantworthy.
eye yam out 2.
That is actually true. Test away.
The rest is still rantworthy.
eye yam out 2.
Not personally, but I have studied for the quiz.
woot.
Heh... If he hadn't posted the cite, I was going to.
It's OK, Your Popeness... You can carry on the receipt in 100% legality. (subject to the rest of the IC, of course)
Blessings,
Bill
