Are you prepared for the modern day "protester"?

[printcraft]

The world would be in a better place right now if more people were popped in the mouth earlier on.
Change my mind.

 

[Route 45]

Nope , I would beat the brakes off of them consequences be damned. But admittedly I am a simple creature and certain situations bring out the worst in me. Visiting st Louis with the wife and kids a few years ago when one of the street dwellers approached us and commented how he would like to anally fornicate with my wife while grabbing his junk. I used colorful language while giving my opinion on his statement. He took offense to my rebuke and threatened to cut my throat while digging presumably for his blade. I told him to show it to me and we will both get our fifteen minutes of fame. Me for shooting him 15 times in the face and him for getting shot 15 times in the face. He decided it wasn’t worth his time. I know better sometimes but can’t help it.

So, you would beat the brakes off someone for making a sexual comment to your wife, but when it actually happened, you did not beat the brakes off of someone.

Ok

 

[Route 45]

Unwanted sexual comments would constitute sexual harassment. Which is indeed a crime

No, it’s not.

 

[Cameramonkey]

The world would be in a better place right now if more people were popped in the mouth earlier on.
Change my mind.

But sadly, if you look at society, many are too stupid to get the hint. Just look at all the hoodlums that are repeatedly arrested, jailed, etc. They are punished but they still dont get the picture and keep on offending.

 

[nucular]

But sadly, if you look at society, many are too stupid to get the hint. Just look at all the hoodlums that are repeatedly arrested, jailed, etc. They are punished but they still dont get the picture and keep on offending.

But often the punishment isn't much more than an inconvenience these days.

 

[daddyusmaximus]

IANAL so Im not sure a lewd comment is considered fighting words. My understanding is words that indicate punches are about to be thrown are "fighting words" so that you dont have to wait to be swung at before swinging if it is clear the person is going to swing.

Found it: (Oxford)
words that indicate a willingness to fight or challenge someone or that are likely to cause confrontation.

Lewd comments about your wife or daughter's appearance while offensive, would not be fighting words.

It is widely know that among men, (you have to be one to know) that going after female loved ones are often exactly that... "fighting words". They are often a prelude to an attack. The boasting, and posturing that takes place by an assailant to bolster his confidence just prior to launching his attack. Those kind of words do in fact, indicate the intensions of the aggressor. You don't start **** like that without expecting a response. It's an intimidation tactic meant to help the aggressor to be victorious in the upcoming conflict they are instigating.

 

[maxipum]

So, you would beat the brakes off someone for making a sexual comment to your wife, but when it actually happened, you did not beat the brakes off of someone.

Ok

Nope, interesting take though. Tough guy

 

[Route 45]

Nope, interesting take though. Tough guy

That’s literally what you said, simple man.

 

[Cameramonkey]

Pump the brakes, gents. We dont need a real-time demonstration of fighting words.

 

[bobzilla]

Running their mouth? Not worth my time. Hands on? That's a different scenario. Lets be honest there is a large percentage of humans that would have been better off if their momma knew how to swallow. Those types are definitely worth me getting my blood pressure up and worrying about. Starting something physical is another story that needs handled differently.

 

[Hohenheim]

And let me be clear. I never said the dude didnt deserve to be popped in the mouth. Just that its not socially acceptable nor legal.

That is what my first comment was about. The social and legal system are trying to create a sense of helplessness. Simply record the event and let the police take care of it is what people say. But some people never face consequences and never learn their lesson.

Example: lets say the adult aggressor is a child in this story and the police are his parents. If the child came over to you while you were shopping and spit on you, do you verbally reprimand them? You look to his parents and they seem unfazed. You talk to them and they roll their eyes at you. The child spits on you again. You begin to leave, but he spits on you a third time. You verbally reprimand him and his parents come flying toward you and start screaming at you when they should have been dealing with their child. This is what the current system feels like. Would that child continue spitting on people if he thought he would be verbally reprimanded, probably not. Will he continue to spit on people as long as he isn't getting in trouble, most likely. It's definately not your job to reprimand someone else's child. Just leave and let the child spit on people.

 

[Hohenheim]

If it was just at me, then I do not care. If it's someone I care about, then that's a different situation.

Running their mouth? Not worth my time. Hands on? That's a different scenario. Lets be honest there is a large percentage of humans that would have been better off if their momma knew how to swallow. Those types are definitely worth me getting my blood pressure up and worrying about. Starting something physical is another story that needs handled differently.

 

[bobzilla]

If it was just at me, then I do not care. If it's someone I care about, then that's a different situation.

No, same thing. You go to jail for popping off on some loud mouth who's going to take care of that someone you care about? It's not you. In fact you just made their life harder, cost them time, money and emotional capital to now deal with your problem. That's not helping those you love, that's being selfish and trying to protect your ego.

 

[maxipum]

Once the threat of a deadly weapon is added to the situation all thoughts of a fistfight are off. Especially in the presence of the most valuable thing I have. That being my wife and kids. At that point I will do all I can to ensure that the threat does not outlive me. Insinuating that I am somehow less of a man because I did not try to fight a mentally ill homeless guy with a knife well that’s just ********.

 

[Cameramonkey]

Some people cant listen, so its time to chill for a bit.

 

[Cameramonkey]

OK. Opening this back up. Please keep it between the ditches.

 

[actaeon277]

Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire, 315 U.S. 568 (1942), was a landmark decision of the US Supreme Court in which the Court articulated the fighting words doctrine, a limitation of the First Amendment's guarantee of freedom of speech.[1]

Interesting read really.

Which multiple courts have put limits on.

I can't remember how many, but I'm thinking at least 4 decisions, maybe more.

 

[Creedmoor]

That is what my first comment was about. The social and legal system are trying to create a sense of helplessness. Simply record the event and let the police take care of it is what people say. But some people never face consequences and never learn their lesson.

Example: lets say the adult aggressor is a child in this story and the police are his parents. If the child came over to you while you were shopping and spit on you, do you verbally reprimand them? You look to his parents and they seem unfazed. You talk to them and they roll their eyes at you. The child spits on you again. You begin to leave, but he spits on you a third time. You verbally reprimand him and his parents come flying toward you and start screaming at you when they should have been dealing with their child. This is what the current system feels like. Would that child continue spitting on people if he thought he would be verbally reprimanded, probably not. Will he continue to spit on people as long as he isn't getting in trouble, most likely. It's definately not your job to reprimand someone else's child. Just leave and let the child spit on people.

i'm guessing you are not a child of the 50's through the 70's?

 

[BJHay]

I know this is NOT the answer, and I am NOT advocating any kind of violence, and I would NEVER do this, but sometimes the answer could be a belt fed, crew served weapon for large "fiery, but mostly peaceful protests" Mods I understand if this is deleted

The answer is that these three people get aggressively prosecuted and if found guilty punished to the fullest extent of the law. If an aggressive attack with pepper spray isn't a felony in Texas it should be. If someone is willing to strike a police officer with a weapon, they are surely a threat to the public. We can't arrest our way out of these problems but vigorous prosecution of these three keeps them off the street and acts as a deterrent to others.

 

[AndreusMaximus]

So, you would beat the brakes off someone for making a sexual comment to your wife, but when it actually happened, you did not beat the brakes off of someone.

Ok

Man, do you do interrogations as part of your role as a LEO? Because you have an incredible ability to cut through the fluff and nonsense and lay out a point plain as day.