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    Rigging elections is not uncle Joe Bidden new my friend. Its not the electorate its the counters of your vote after all.....:dunno:
    Difference being several state legislatures are actually quietly doing something about it... All I see is resignation and conservatives paying money to support left-wing organizations. You do you I guess...
     

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    Difference being several state legislatures are actually quietly doing something about it... All I see is resignation and conservatives paying money to support left-wing organizations. You do you I guess...
    You would be surprised what people will accept in return for a paycheck.

    Everybody has their price. I've had this argument with gun-owning union members for literally ever. "What good does it do to have the right to own guns, if I can't afford to buy them?"

    Look at the number of people on this thread who said some variation of "keep your head down." Often, when you have these discussions, it's the same people who talk about how stupid it is to go to college, and you should learn a trade. Well, this is a portion of the reason some people don't want to learn a trade. They don't want to fork over money from their paycheck that goes straight into Democrat campaign coffers.
     

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    Wow. This thread doesn't do much to sell the union concept, eh? Except for those who profit from it, huh?

    Makes one wonder what we get when we pay for union backed goods and services? ;)
     

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    I get emails from Local 150 all the time telling us how they want us to vote, etc. We get fliers in the mail. They make great fire starters for when I burn the trash. Emails get deleted.

    None of their business how we vote. Hubby put in his time, paid his dues and now has a decent pension with good insurance. It was a job to him. He didn't go to meetings because he got tired of them pushing Democrat crap on them.
    My dad was 150!
     

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    Wow. This thread doesn't do much to sell the union concept, eh? Except for those who profit from it, huh?

    Makes one wonder what we get when we pay for union backed goods and services? ;)
    Eh. The concept of the union is good. You back American workers earning a wage that'll actually put food on the table. Corporations are greedy and don't care about ppl and will pay almost nothing if that is an option. The problems are many tho. Corruption gets in any organization. Republicans do not tend to support unions but they do seem to bring more work. The system is broken when the unions have to lobby politicians. When anyone has to pay politicians to get noticed.
     

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    In my experience it's because the people that would be good for leadership positions have absolutely no interest in doing it. They can make more money and put up with less BS by staying in their position.
    I believe this mentality is why the left is ascendant. They have enough zealots who have made the decision to sacrifice income in order to garner power, and now we're actually flirting with communism disguised as socialism as a country. It took a ling time, but we're here now. The way I see it, the only to turn it around is for conservatives to adopt the same dedication to sacrifice for the sake of preserving liberty as we've seen from the left.
     

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    I believe this mentality is why the left is ascendant. They have enough zealots who have made the decision to sacrifice income in order to garner power, and now we're actually flirting with communism disguised as socialism as a country. It took a ling time, but we're here now. The way I see it, the only to turn it around is for conservatives to adopt the same dedication to sacrifice for the sake of preserving liberty as we've seen from the left.
    Make sure to post a link to your campaign website.
     

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    Make sure to post a link to your campaign website.
    I'm not talking about government, per se. I'm talking about institutions in general. The leftist zealots seem to be willing to put themselves in menial low paid positions if they perceive an opportunity to gain influence, because political power is their goal. They've taken a patient, subversive approach and it's working.

    Once you've overwhelmed an institution through sheer numbers, you turn that institution into a power and money generating machine. They did this with unions long ago.
     

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    To be fair, there's not much else you can do with a gender studies in the American west degree...
    But the department that now wags the dog in so many companies is a department that produces NOTHING at all. It pays very little to start, but big money flows that way when they rise.

    HR. The department that is killing capitalism…
     

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    I'm not talking about government, per se. I'm talking about institutions in general. The leftist zealots seem to be willing to put themselves in menial low paid positions if they perceive an opportunity to gain influence, because political power is their goal. They've taken a patient, subversive approach and it's working.

    Once you've overwhelmed an institution through sheer numbers, you turn that institution into a power and money generating machine. They did this with unions long ago.
    It's the same thing. Somebody wants someone else to make the sacrifice and fix the issue.
    It's easier to talk about it than be about it.

    You just watched 4 years of what happens when someone gets in and goes against the machine.
     

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    It's the same thing. Somebody wants someone else to make the sacrifice and fix the issue.
    It's easier to talk about it than be about it.

    You just watched 4 years of what happens when someone gets in and goes against the machine.
    My comments weren't accusatory, just pointing out that if we want to turn things around, we have to do something different than relying simply on voting while pursuing the fading American dream. It's going to take a lot of us to change this mindset to get a different result.

    Your comment also brings up another distinction between leftists and conservatives that I think is important to success. Leftist are coming from a position of powerlessness and losing battles in a war is not as demoralizing to them as is it to those accustomed to being in the majority and wielding the power. We expect to win all or most of the fights and tend to get easily discouraged by losses. We need the relentlessness that the left has employed to make the war a little winnable in today's environment
     

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    Difference being several state legislatures are actually quietly doing something about it... All I see is resignation and conservatives paying money to support left-wing organizations. You do you I guess...
    Not understanding your comment or do you not understand my distain for this part of the process. I see no actual action being taken here to curb this. Maybe I have not been clear enough. I will try harder in future.
     

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    My comments weren't accusatory, just pointing out that if we want to turn things around, we have to do something different than relying simply on voting while pursuing the fading American dream. It's going to take a lot of us to change this mindset to get a different result.

    Your comment also brings up another distinction between leftists and conservatives that I think is important to success. Leftist are coming from a position of powerlessness and losing battles in a war is not as demoralizing to them as is it to those accustomed to being in the majority and wielding the power. We expect to win all or most of the fights and tend to get easily discouraged by losses. We need the relentlessness that the left has employed to make the war a little winnable in today's environment
    I guess I'm not understanding what you action you want people to take.

    If you are suggesting proud, hardworking, blue collar workers start trying to get into low paying menial jobs in organizations to try and influence them somehow that's crazy.
     

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    I guess I'm not understanding what you action you want people to take.

    If you are suggesting proud, hardworking, blue collar workers start trying to get into low paying menial jobs in organizations to try and influence them somehow that's crazy.
    Do you have a better answer? It's uncomfortable for most of us to entertain that idea. The problem is that the good job and financial security we cling to may be our undoing, and then it's all gone anyway.
     
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    Not understanding your comment or do you not understand my distain for this part of the process. I see no actual action being taken here to curb this. Maybe I have not been clear enough. I will try harder in future.
    I had wondered if I had made that comment a little bit hard to understand...

    To your analogy about rigged elections: Some state legislatures have and are taking steps to take back their constitutional authority over state elections. It will be slow, but it is making some progress.

    To bring the analogy back to the unions: I don't see union members taking back their unions. I just see "keep your head down" and resignation to the fact that union members will continue to financially support organizations that fund and campaign for political views the general membership seems to hate. I don't get it... The old members in particular have had DECADES to do something to make things better for generations to follow...and yet they did nothing. The advice now is "keep your head down"...good for the old guys I suppose...it won't be their problem much longer...
     
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