Alcohol on a rifle range

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As soon as booze is brought up, it automatically follows that someone will start griping that 'we're gonna have a buncha wild drunks out there shooting the weather vane on top of the clubhouse! No, no, no!' We hear the same thing if anyone on INGO mentions they've had even so much as a sip of liquor while carrying. It's ludicrous, ridiculous, and beyond hypocritical.

This is the same type of rhetoric that libtards always use, and it's just as dumb: 'If you let some guy just starting carrying a gun around at the shopping center or restaurant, we'll have a bunch of vigilante psychos shooting up the place! No, no, no!'

"Accident waiting to happen"? That's EXACTLY the same thing the left-loon, anti-gun, libtards say about YOU carrying a firearm in public.

Even worse, these same 'nay-sayers' will fervently post their absolute endorsement of legalizing and smoking pot. Would they, then, accept someone smoking pot while at the range? Or will they be hypocrites about that, as well?

It's more than 'ironic', it's a libtard mindset.

IF you can't expect and envision members / attendees being as responsible with imbibing as they are with their firearms, WHY would you allow that person (or persons) on the range to begin with?

We should expect (and 'demand') that folks be responsible in their composure at all times, in every manner. With their firearms, and with their choice of beverage. Everyone is accountable for their actions, at all times.

Either you're in favor of personal choices, and responsible behavior with those choices, or your not. Period.

How 'bout this: Act responsibly.

Yep, just like drinking and driving...















...oh wait...

 

[AA&E]

As soon as booze is brought up, it automatically follows that someone will start griping that 'we're gonna have a buncha wild drunks out there shooting the weather vane on top of the clubhouse! No, no, no!' We hear the same thing if anyone on INGO mentions they've had even so much as a sip of liquor while carrying. It's ludicrous, ridiculous, and beyond hypocritical.

This is the same type of rhetoric that libtards always use, and it's just as dumb: 'If you let some guy just starting carrying a gun around at the shopping center or restaurant, we'll have a bunch of vigilante psychos shooting up the place! No, no, no!'

"Accident waiting to happen"? That's EXACTLY the same thing the left-loon, anti-gun, libtards say about YOU carrying a firearm in public.

Even worse, these same 'nay-sayers' will fervently post their absolute endorsement of legalizing and smoking pot. Would they, then, accept someone smoking pot while at the range? Or will they be hypocrites about that, as well?

It's more than 'ironic', it's a libtard mindset.

IF you can't expect and envision members / attendees being as responsible with imbibing as they are with their firearms, WHY would you allow that person (or persons) on the range to begin with?

We should expect (and 'demand') that folks be responsible in their composure at all times, in every manner. With their firearms, and with their choice of beverage. Everyone is accountable for their actions, at all times.

Either you're in favor of personal choices, and responsible behavior with those choices, or your not. Period.

How 'bout this: Act responsibly.

I agree. When I am out having dinner with friends I never drink more than 2 beers over the course of the evening. It's not worth losing my job and the headaches associated with a DUI. But some act as if a beer is going to cloud your judgment and turn you into a time bomb waiting to go off. It also strikes me as liberal mindsets. Do I think we should have people shooting on public ranges after drinking a 6 pack? No. But do I think it is possible for people to drink responsibly and still take part in routine activities without a negative impact? Absolutely.

 

[AA&E]

Yep, just like drinking and driving...















...oh wait...

I am legally allowed to drink and drive.. in moderation up to a certain limit. I personally never go out and have more than 2 beers. Having two beers and driving home is still drinking and driving... yes?

 

[Slawburger]

Just don't.

Drinking alcohol impairs decision making, removes barriers to impulsive actions and negatively impacts both motor control and reflexes. The gun range is no place for alcohol.

 

[JStarr]

Absolutely NOT!

 

[Bsubtown]

We should expect (and 'demand') that folks be responsible in their composure at all times, in every manner. With their firearms, and with their choice of beverage. Everyone is accountable for their actions, at all times.

This exactly.

Since it is difficult to tell if a person has say: had a beer, smoked a joint, broke up with his girlfriend, dog died... Everyone on the range has to take responsibility for themselves and watch out for the actions of others. Banning alcohol (like guns) makes people feel safe; it does not make them safe.

 

[Maximinus Thrax]

From a liability standpoint alone a range should not allow alcohol anywhere near where the shooting takes place. An unfortunate side-effect of our society places the responsibility of one moron's actions not on the moron but on the lack of restrictions that "allowed" the event to take place. Common sense and decency cannot and should not be taken for granted.

As to the drinking after shooting, sure. Again, there is no way for most ranges to actually enforce that standard so a blanket policy must be used due to the liability issue. Do whatever you want on your own property but don't expect a range to stick their necks out on the line just so you can enjoy a beverage on range day.

Drinking and firearms in a normal setting: I don't drink and drive not because I don't "trust" myself with the car but rather because my reflexes and motors skills are inhibited after enjoying some of my favorite beverages. I apply the same thinking to carrying. When my wife and I are out, one drinks and one drives. Flipside, one drinks and one carries.

 

[maverick18]

As soon as booze is brought up, it automatically follows that someone will start griping that 'we're gonna have a buncha wild drunks out there shooting the weather vane on top of the clubhouse! No, no, no!' We hear the same thing if anyone on INGO mentions they've had even so much as a sip of liquor while carrying. It's ludicrous, ridiculous, and beyond hypocritical.

This is the same type of rhetoric that libtards always use, and it's just as dumb: 'If you let some guy just starting carrying a gun around at the shopping center or restaurant, we'll have a bunch of vigilante psychos shooting up the place! No, no, no!'

"Accident waiting to happen"? That's EXACTLY the same thing the left-loon, anti-gun, libtards say about YOU carrying a firearm in public.

Even worse, these same 'nay-sayers' will fervently post their absolute endorsement of legalizing and smoking pot. Would they, then, accept someone smoking pot while at the range? Or will they be hypocrites about that, as well?

It's more than 'ironic', it's a libtard mindset.

IF you can't expect and envision members / attendees being as responsible with imbibing as they are with their firearms, WHY would you allow that person (or persons) on the range to begin with?

We should expect (and 'demand') that folks be responsible in their composure at all times, in every manner. With their firearms, and with their choice of beverage. Everyone is accountable for their actions, at all times.

Either you're in favor of personal choices, and responsible behavior with those choices, or your not. Period.

How 'bout this: Act responsibly.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
If someone isn't responsible enough to limit themselves regarding alcohol and firearms, they probably are responsible enough to even be on the range to begin with. Personal responsibility people.

 

[dbrier]

This is a perfect example of the few ruining it for the many. Rules like this aren't written for the 99% of people that don't drink at the range or have a beer while shooting. It's written for the one a-hole who brings a bottle of vodka to the range and starts shooting out the lights.

In a perfect society, we wouldn't need many rules because everyone took personal responsibility and treated other people with respect. Unfortunately we don't live in that magical place.

 

[hd96heritage]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
If someone isn't responsible enough to limit themselves regarding alcohol and firearms, they probably are responsible enough to even be on the range to begin with. Personal responsibility people.

So how do you keep those who are not responsible enough to begin with out of the range?? You can't. I understand the point being made here but there are too many irresponsible people that would cause incident or injury. Even 1 irresponsible person is too many.

I have friends who shoot clays on thier property a couple times a year and drink beer while doing it. I was floored when I heard this. They said I'm no fun cuz I don't want a few beers while I shoot. I'm fine with being no fun, I'm also fine with being no party to an alcohol/gun related mishap with severe implications on my life, family, health, finances, etc and give ammo to the liberal media blowing any gun related mishap out of proportion and painting the moronic hillbilly picture they believe all firearm owners are.

 

[Mark-DuCo]

I shoot clays a few times a year with some buddies, and we usually have a few beers while doing so. Notice I said a few not polish off a case. I don't blame a range for banning alcohol for liability purposes, but I do not have a problem with people having a few drinks and shooting, as long as it stays under control.

 

[Cemetery-man]

Brings back memories of the old Quail Unlimited days when you left the dove field or sporting clays trailer you gathered around the keg that was always nearby.

 

[T.Lex]

I think the alcohol-at-a-gun-range is different from what I do when I'm carrying. But, I have to admit, it is very much a function of, "I trust myself, its the rest of you I'm not too sure about."

Most Sundays, we have dinner at my in-laws. Most of the time, I'm CC'ing. Because that's how I roll. I have a beer with dinner. One beer. If we're over there for a Colts game and I know we'll be there a long time, maybe 2. Over several hours. But, I know I'm not going to be intoxicated. And the chance of "needing" my firearm is a number approaching zero.

At a range, though, where there are people I don't know, doing things I can't always see, I think alcohol is a bad idea. If I saw someone partaking in it, I would leave, and carefully consider whether to go back.

"After" shooting is also different to me. Having a beer while cleaning guns after a range trip/hunting excursion just makes sense to me.

 

[BuddieReigns]

I only smoke PCP while at the range.

 

[DRob]

There are people who will shoot out the lights, shoot holes in the ceiling/roof, disobey prominently displayed rules, set the range afire, or shoot another shooter while they are stone sober. You should expect a significant increase in such events if you put alcohol or drugs of any kind in the mix. "Stupid is as stupid does".

 

[Kutnupe14]

I shoot clays a few times a year with some buddies, and we usually have a few beers while doing so. Notice I said a few not polish off a case. I don't blame a range for banning alcohol for liability purposes, but I do not have a problem with people having a few drinks and shooting, as long as it stays under control.

Yeah, I'm with you. I distinctly remember relatives (dad, grandpa, and uncles) drinking beer, and shooting guns. It honestly wasn't that big of a deal. In a range however, I see the issue.

 

[sbcman]

Why? You, yourself, said AFTER the match?

I don't know if you've shot any competitions but even after the match guns are still on hips, mags are still loaded and on belts. Waiting for scores to finalize and awards to be given out gives plenty of time for folks to become impaired.

 

[ATM]

...people confuse freedom with I will do as I please...

There's no confusion. That is what it means.

 

[churchmouse]

There's no confusion. That is what it means.

OK as long as it does not directly effect others.

 

[MrPeabody]

As expressed earlier, the liability alone should scare you not to mention if something happened and that went public. Can you imagine the buzz from the "drive by media" if someone was accidentally shot because they were drinking at a gun range? We are fighting like hell to keep what liberties we have. We don't need to add stupid to the mix.

While we are at it there should be no texting or talking on the phone at the active side of the range as well. To me these are just as distracting to both the individual and the shooter.