+1 NOBLESVILLE PD

[Kutnupe14]

I'm of the opinion that the Bill of Rights ensures that we can remain secure in our serial numbers against unreasonable number checks. Speeding is hardly probable cause of gun theft.

ETA: Oops, not speeding. Insufficient taxes collected on his vehicle registration.


Amendment IV.
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Did the OP contest or have issue with the officer checking his firearm? If so, you'd be correct. If not, a person who complies with a request is hardly having their rights trampled upon.

 

[adam]

No joke people. The LEO asked and OP let him with no issues. There were nothing negative about the encounter that the OP spoke of yet you still find ish to gripe about.

 

[BDBHoover]

My wife was a police dispatcher for noblesville for a few years and every LEO on their department is very nice and very VERY well educated.... even the most recent hires.... +1 for NPD

 

[bingley]

I'm of the opinion that the Bill of Rights ensures that we can remain secure in our serial numbers against unreasonable number checks. Speeding is hardly probable cause of gun theft.

Look, he had a nice date. Thinking ruins memories.

Da Bing

 

[Rookie]

Did the OP contest or have issue with the officer checking his firearm? If so, you'd be correct. If not, a person who complies with a request is hardly having their rights trampled upon.

Exactly. The OP willfully gave up his 4th amendment rights.

 

[beararms1776]

Got pulled over about an hour ago. Forgot to renew my plates. The officer Walks up to my window and introduces himself and goes through his speel ends up giving me a warning.(+1) makes note of my "dont tread on me" sticker and states that is a very good policy (+1) then he notices my LTCH as I'm putting my dl away and ask if I'm carrying (he seems like a nice guy so I answer his questions) he asked for me to step out of the car so he can run its numbers (no problem) he unloads it and lays mag, round, and knife neatly on my little counsel. Comes back and asked If I'm a good shot with it (of course I am) and lays it safely on my middle conseal again (+1) and then states " I respect your 2nd amendment rights..." (+1000000) we shake hands, part ways, he goes home safe and so do I

NO COP BASHING

That's cool. No reason to be a hard arse with em.

 

[Rookie]

Hold on a sec. If I am reading this correctly, you allowed him to enter your car to retrieve your weapon? You, sir, are a braver man than I.

 

[Roadie]

What are you in possession of that is identified by a serial number.
Guns, and cars. If it would allow a single person to get their gun back I would let every Leo in the tri-state area to run my numbers. Especially if they treat my property with as much respect as this one did
Their was no die-assembling other then the mag taken out.
No rounds emptied except for the one in the chamber .
And gun wasn't waved around or thrown in the back seat.

Also I did not ask any opinions on the matter just gave credit where I feel it was due

My car
My gun(s)
My phone
My car stereo
My mp3 player
My laptop
My Internet tablet

Not trying to start a fight, but you are missing the point here, or avoiding it..

Would you have allowed him to run everything in your vehicle that had a serial number through the "system"

"If it would allow a single person to get their [possessions] back"

?

You may not have asked for opinions, but this is a Public Forum, did you honestly expect NOT to get opinions? lol

 

[Rookie]

Another argument to that line of reasoning, let's say for the sake of argument that your gun does come back stolen. Do you honestly think that the officer is gonna let it slide, or will he charge you with possession of stolen property?

 

[GunSlinger]

Got pulled over about an hour ago. Forgot to renew my plates. The officer Walks up to my window and introduces himself and goes through his speel ends up giving me a warning.(+1) makes note of my "dont tread on me" sticker and states that is a very good policy (+1) then he notices my LTCH as I'm putting my dl away and ask if I'm carrying (he seems like a nice guy so I answer his questions) he asked for me to step out of the car so he can run its numbers (no problem) he unloads it and lays mag, round, and knife neatly on my little counsel. Comes back and asked If I'm a good shot with it (of course I am) and lays it safely on my middle conseal again (+1) and then states " I respect your 2nd amendment rights..." (+1000000) we shake hands, part ways, he goes home safe and so do I

NO COP BASHING

I agree with and commend you on your actions and response to the LEO. +1 for you.

You could have easily stood firm on your rights granted by the fourth amendment, but instead you decided to keep the situation 'friendly'. To me that promotes the notion that gun owners are responsible citizens.

On the other hand had he ordered me from my vehicle and demanded I surrender my gun for a serial number check I would have demanded that he get a warrant and prove probable cause to do so.

So...+1 for you and the NPD officer!

 

[Rookie]

So why would it be irresponsible to stand firm on your rights?

 

[lovemachine]

I don't think any rights were violated. And I don't see it as the OP "giving up" his rights.

The OP was met with respect and kindness from the start. The cop states be likes the OP NRA sticker. He's obviously FOR citizens carrying. And he ASKS the OP if he can run the serial numbers. The OP, not seeing anything wrong with that, decides to let him. Sure, he could have told the cop to go "F"'himself. But he chose to be respectful as well. He had nothing to hide. And the cop asked, not demanded.

The OP had a good experience.

 

[Rookie]

The fact that the cop asked doesn't change the fact that he gave up his rights.

 

[Josh Ward]

Sounds like a resonably polite and professional experience. However, I'm with a few other here, once the LTCH is produced, conversation over. "Have a nice day sir, go get those plates taken care of" No reason to allow ANYONE inside your vehicle, or to have your gun.

The officer was doing his job, professionally, he asked to see the gun. The OP granted him permission to do so, thus waiving his rights. The officer then continued with "running the numbers" professionally....

AnyWoo all is well that ends well I suppose ??????

 

[KG1]

If the OP wishes to wave his rights then that's his choice. I just don't understand that if everything went so well and the officer stated that he respects your 2A rights and after the LTCH was spotted why there was a need to disarm and unload and run the numbers

 

[Hoosierdood]

If the OP wishes to wave his rights then that's his choice. I just don't understand that if everything went so well and the officer stated that he respects your 2A rights and after the LTCH was spotted why there was a need to disarm and unload and run the numbers

This^^^

I don't know that I would go as far as accuse the cop of trampling on the OP's rights, but I really see no need to run the serial numbers. Do cops run the VIN of every vehicle they stop to see if it is stolen? It would be easy to take the plate and registration from a similar car and put it in a stolen car.

 

[rambone]

Rights trampled, no.
Rights waved, definitely.

Glad it worked out amicably, in this case.

 

[Pocketman]

Producing the LTCH - could have stopped there.
Out of vehicle and separated from the handgun - could have stopped there.
Officer asked to retrieve the gun - could have stopped there.
Etc.

Was this a perfect 2nd Amendment encounter - no.
Was is a bad encounter - no.

OP was in the wrong for driving on expired plates. Officer was doing his job. Sounds like a reasonable interaction between two reasonable people that ended well for both.

 

[youngda9]

Rights trampled, no.
Rights waved, definitely.

I agree...I wish we could have found out how much this guy respected his rights if he said that he couldn't take his firearm.

 

[Josh Ward]

If the OP wishes to wave his rights then that's his choice. I just don't understand that if everything went so well and the officer stated that he respects your 2A rights and after the LTCH was spotted why there was a need to disarm and unload and run the numbers

My point exactly