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  • Twangbanger

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    So much for 'an armed society is a polite society', eh? Turns out we can be assholes with or without guns if we're dedicated enough.

    Given the German reputation/stereotype, I wonder how prevalent DUI is and how seriously they take it.
    Yes, that used to be a real problem. They have started to get more "American" about it in my lifetime. More trust in the individual, strangely. But our "africanized bee" fascination with law and lawyers is gradually creeping in over there.
     

    Ingomike

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    I recall a story from when Daimler owned Chrysler, the German engineers could not fathom what the heck Americans wanted all those cup holders for...
     

    BehindBlueI's

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    I recall a story from when Daimler owned Chrysler, the German engineers could not fathom what the heck Americans wanted all those cup holders for...

    Current beer. Standby beer. Backup standby beer.

    I remember when open container laws were passed, we shrugged and said "it's just a ticket", and kept on keeping on. I think Kentucky was something like $30 if you got popped at the time.
     

    ghuns

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    ...I remember when open container laws were passed, we shrugged and said "it's just a ticket", and kept on keeping on. I think Kentucky was something like $30 if you got popped at the time.
    Missouri still doesn't have an open container law.

    When we drive to see the boy kid in KC, I usually stop just past Hannibal and grab a couple tall boy road pops and let the wife take over.

    The best way to enjoy that stretch of US36 is napping with a little beer buzz.
     

    BE Mike

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    So have I. Driving 150 down the Autobahn was an experience I will never forget.

    Our Interstates aren't really comparable. Although I believe they were used the Autobahn as a model. Curves, overpasses, and such are designed to allow traffic to move very fast there, which ours are not.

    The biggest difference though is the drivers. German drivers are much more respectful of other drivers than US drivers.
    Yeah, when you have a speeding missile rocketing up your 6, you better be respectful. I didn't find German drivers to be any better than those in the US, but my experience probably predates yours by a few decades.
     

    BE Mike

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    Current beer. Standby beer. Backup standby beer.

    I remember when open container laws were passed, we shrugged and said "it's just a ticket", and kept on keeping on. I think Kentucky was something like $30 if you got popped at the time.
    And now we have distracted drivers who are more dangerous than drunks!
     

    KLB

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    Yeah, when you have a speeding missile rocketing up your 6, you better be respectful. I didn't find German drivers to be any better than those in the US, but my experience probably predates yours by a few decades.
    You saw German drivers camped in the left lane unwilling to move over for faster traffic?

    The drivers I saw on the autobahn followed the rules. Well, except for a couple of Americans anyway.
     

    BE Mike

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    I actually am capable of forming my own sentences and ideas, so I don't need to have words put into my mouth! Only a fool drives less than 161 kph in the left lane on the autobahn, even just to pass. When you see those flashing headlights a mile behind, it's time to be in the right lane, even when passing slower traffic. I was referring to the way Germans drove in general. I was rear ended there and not on the autobahn. The German who tagged me didn't have insurance and so I paid for the repair. As the cost of labor in Germany precludes sheet metal repair (body work), they just replace with all new parts.
     
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    Tactically Fat

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    Germany is about as big as IN, OH, and WV combined.

    It's pretty small.

    Indiana roads are crap due to the nature of our weather. Freeze / thaw cycles here (And other places in our latitude) are absolute hell on pavement.

    Add in to that the sheer number of vehicles (especially semis) and snow plow activity... It's all a recipe for disaster.

    Want to have way better roads with current construction standards and practices? No vehicles over 3 tons allowed.

    Want better roads that'll definitely accommodate 40 ton rigs for years upon years upon years? Plan on spending 4-5x what roads cost today and taking 4-5x longer.

    And comparing a national highway system in another small-ish country in Europe to the State or National highway system here in the USA is literally comparing apples to apples.
     

    Ingomike

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    Germany is about as big as IN, OH, and WV combined.

    It's pretty small.

    Indiana roads are crap due to the nature of our weather. Freeze / thaw cycles here (And other places in our latitude) are absolute hell on pavement.

    Add in to that the sheer number of vehicles (especially semis) and snow plow activity... It's all a recipe for disaster.

    Want to have way better roads with current construction standards and practices? No vehicles over 3 tons allowed.

    Want better roads that'll definitely accommodate 40 ton rigs for years upon years upon years? Plan on spending 4-5x what roads cost today and taking 4-5x longer.

    And comparing a national highway system in another small-ish country in Europe to the State or National highway system here in the USA is literally comparing apples to apples.
    One other thing that contributes to Indiana road deterioration is our plan, a plan supported by most, to plow, then salt, until dry. This keeps liquid and exacerbates the freeze thaw cycles. Many in latitudes north of Indiana manage roads that snow pack and thaw in the spring. Some even have ordinances that heavy loads can only move during the freeze period.
     

    Butch627

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    Growing up in a very politically connected neighborhood in Chicago while growing up my block had the concrete curbs replaced twice. I never remember any cracks in them or anything falling apart or anything wrong with them. Meanwhile there were neighborhoods that were barely paved decades ago and looked like they had been bombed. A very powerful senator https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Hynes lived a block over and his block didn't have curbs or sidewalks until decades later probably because he didn't want them for whatever reason. He moved his mom into a house on a corner on a small lot without a garage and the end of the alley was closed and paved and used for parking for his mothers house and the rest of the block now had a blind alley. Graft, corruption, kickbacks, scams, and on and on and on.
     

    injb

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    So have I. Driving 150 down the Autobahn was an experience I will never forget.

    Our Interstates aren't really comparable. Although I believe they were used the Autobahn as a model. Curves, overpasses, and such are designed to allow traffic to move very fast there, which ours are not.

    The biggest difference though is the drivers. German drivers are much more respectful of other drivers than US drivers.

    It's easy to seem respectful when you really know what you're doing though. Most American drivers generally just don't have a clue, which gives the appearance of arrogance and presumptuousness. It's not their fault - it's just too easy to get a DL.

    I bet this situation is familiar: you're overtaking on the interstate, in the overtaking lane when someone comes flying up behind you and sits on your bumper. It feels like they're being nasty and aggressive right? So you think, well OK if I'm not overtaking fast enough for you, you can have the lane, and you move over - only to have them stay there, or move over right behind you and continue tailgaiting you. Then you realize they weren't being aggressive, (at least not deliberately) they're just incompetent.

    Most of what's wrong with American driving can be explained this way, whether it's the game of chicken when you're rolling up to a stop and someone coming from your right looking to turn left turns into your lane (their left). Or those waiting drivers who see you coming half a mile away, but they wait until you're 50 yards away to cut you off.

    You don't know what you don't know as the saying goes. Germans aren't more polite or respectful people - they're better trained. As a result they're more patient with honest mistakes because they know the difference between that and someone being reckless.

    When did my first driving test in Europe, I had a 50% chance of passing first time. I had something like 12-5 hours of professional instruction beforehand. When I moved to the US I had to do another driving test, and frankly it was a joke. There was no realistic prospect of failure. Driving safely and efficiently is hard, and there's no reason people would learn to do it if they don't have to.

    You can chose to interpret this as an indictment of American driving or as a defence of American politeness but either way the problems aren't going to go away unless and until the US starts making it genuinely hard to get a DL.
     

    KLB

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    It's easy to seem respectful when you really know what you're doing though. Most American drivers generally just don't have a clue, which gives the appearance of arrogance and presumptuousness. It's not their fault - it's just too easy to get a DL.
    True. I've been driving for over 40 years and have never taken a driving test. I received a waiver from my Driver's Ed class in high school.

    I still think someone parked in the left lane that refuses to move over is just being a wiener though. :):
     
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