Drug test to attend homecoming dance?

Daburkster · Sep 25, 2022

Even if the study was true, it doesn’t make freedom less important. And you are right. Most Americans who “love” freedom are the ones that will give it right away for safety. Ironically in the end they obtain neither.

Daburkster · Sep 25, 2022

Ziggidy said:
Would you want to prevent the consequences if was a danger to your children, family?

No I wouldn’t. Because I would rather then experience freedom over tyranny. Even if it is less safe.

Expat · Sep 25, 2022

jagee said:
I graduated HS in 2005. Drug testing was implemented for school sports, when they tried to do us (the band kids) our director said no...he didn't want to be down half the band.

I believe the daughter was drug tested many times in a similar time frame because she was in the orchestra...

Ziggidy · Sep 25, 2022

Daburkster said:
No I wouldn’t. Because I would rather then experience freedom over tyranny. Even if it is less safe.

You and I disagree. What is that freedom worth to you? 1 child, maybe 2?

We're talking about a "possible random" drug test to prevent teens from doing drugs at a homecoming or before. How is that infringement on your freedom? An infringement so bad that you'd be willing to sacrifice a child just to stop them from doing a test.

The real problem here is not the drugs or the testing, the real problem lies with parenting.

Dean C. · Sep 25, 2022

Ziggidy said:
Would you want to prevent the consequences if was a danger to your children, family?

I believe it's the parents job to educate their children on these things. Drugs much like firearms if they are explained properly you won't have issues. Now there will always be a percentage of the population that is predisposed to addiction , see all of human history for that one.

Again going back to gun control argument because the talking points are so similar. Should we mandate "safe storage" laws so just one or two kids don't find their parents pistol and shoot themselves or another child too? It's just having to keep your guns locked up, no big deal you are responsible right and it's for the kids?

Daburkster · Sep 25, 2022

Ziggidy said:
You and I disagree. What is that freedom worth to you? 1 child, maybe 2?

We're talking about a "possible random" drug test to prevent teens from doing drugs at a homecoming or before. How is that infringement on your freedom? An infringement so bad that you'd be willing to sacrifice a child just to stop them from doing a test.

The real problem here is not the drugs or the testing, the real problem lies with parenting.

I agree that this is a parenting issue. Like it or not, parents are the ones responsible for their childs safety, not a school. If you do pass off care of your child to a government entity, in the end it’s still your responsibility. Just ask any of the parents that lost kids in the school shootings. I would suspect that even though they are suing gun companies and whoever they can, at the end of the day, and for the rest of their lives they will feel responsibility for their kids dying. Don’t take this the wrong way, but the parents trusted the school with their child’s safety, and at the end of the day they made the wrong decision.

hoosierdoc · Sep 25, 2022

Creedmoor said:
Are you saying opioids arn't tested for in a urine drug test?

A standard 5 panel drug urine test is the drug test most frequently used by government agencies and private employers. A 5 panel drug test typically tests for commonly abused substances, including THC, Opiates, PCP, Cocaine, and Amphetamines.

I'm saying fentanyl is a synthetic opioid that does not get metabolized into the substance a standard urine "opioid" screen is looking for, so it evades detection

armalitesheepdog · Sep 25, 2022

Sorry. Serious topic but I had to.

KLB · Sep 25, 2022

Ziggidy said:
Would you want to prevent the consequences if was a danger to your children, family?

It's my job as a parent to handle this, not the school's.

KLB · Sep 25, 2022

Ziggidy said:
You and I disagree. What is that freedom worth to you? 1 child, maybe 2?

We're talking about a "possible random" drug test to prevent teens from doing drugs at a homecoming or before. How is that infringement on your freedom? An infringement so bad that you'd be willing to sacrifice a child just to stop them from doing a test.

The real problem here is not the drugs or the testing, the real problem lies with parenting.

Another one that is happy to have the government enforce the restrictions they approve of.

I guess every school dance should have **** tests, breathalyzer tests, and metal detectors before anyone is allowed in. Maybe we should test the girls to see if they are on birth control while we are at it.

Shadow01 · Sep 25, 2022

You could always get a lawyer and find a judge willing to place an injunction on any activity tied to homecoming including the game until your lawsuit is settled. See if you could string it out at least 2 full seasons or more.

NoSaintJoe · Sep 25, 2022

*Pothead kid*
”I don’t want to go anyway, I love my freeedooom“

I don’t have a problem with it, even a breathalyzer at the door.
I would like to see it every Congressional session.

Ziggidy · Sep 25, 2022

Not sure if everyone understands what is happening here (everywhere).

For decades I have heard the arguments, the pointed fingers, the accusations and oh so many excuses; but yet, here we are. Drug abuse is a major problem, and has been for decades.There comes a time when people who fail to do their job forfeit their responsibility to another. There comes a time when the folks who want freedom so much they allow others to steal their freedom in the name of freedom; there is little or no freedoms left.

Fight for freedom? How? Stand for freedom? How? Allow everyone to do whatever they want in the name of freedom? Freedom is not allowing anyone to do anything. It's not about arguing against restriction for the safety of the majority.

What I see here, sorry to say, is some people want the freedom to do drugs and are willing sacrifice whatever it takes to obtain or keep that desired freedom. I have not seen responsibility practiced in a large enough environment to be convinced the outcomes can be acceptable, with minimal consequences.

We have family rules, societal rules, government rules for a reason. Yes, they can be (and are) taken advantage of but that is where "we the people" come in play. We need to make sure rules are not abused.

Sometimes denying rules can be as abusive as enforcing rules.

r3126 · Sep 25, 2022

DoggyDaddy said:
Jeez, if they'd have done that at our school (class of '78), they would have cut the enrollment by over half, and probably wouldn't have had any sports teams whatsoever.

That sort of thing never entered their minds (Class of 58)!

NoSaintJoe · Sep 25, 2022

Ziggidy said:
Not sure if everyone understands what is happening here (everywhere).

For decades I have heard the arguments, the pointed fingers, the accusations and oh so many excuses; but yet, here we are. Drug abuse is a major problem, and has been for decades.There comes a time when people who fail to do their job forfeit their responsibility to another. There comes a time when the folks who want freedom so much they allow others to steal their freedom in the name of freedom; there is little or no freedoms left.

Fight for freedom? How? Stand for freedom? How? Allow everyone to do whatever they want in the name of freedom? Freedom is not allowing anyone to do anything. It's not about arguing against restriction for the safety of the majority.

What I see here, sorry to say, is some people want the freedom to do drugs and are willing sacrifice whatever it takes to obtain or keep that desired freedom. I have not seen responsibility practiced in a large enough environment to be convinced the outcomes can be acceptable, with minimal consequences.

We have family rules, societal rules, government rules for a reason. Yes, they can be (and are) taken advantage of but that is where "we the people" come in play. We need to make sure rules are not abused.

Sometimes denying rules can be as abusive as enforcing rules.

Freedom is easy to corrupt In the name of freedom.

bwframe · Sep 25, 2022

Ziggidy said:
The real problem here is not the drugs or the testing, the real problem lies with parenting.

I have found over the years that it gets quite touch and go when folks are reminded that it's a parent's responcibility to parent their children.

The only reason we are discussing this is that the community is forced to take action when "parents" refuse to accept their responcibility to parent.

.

KLB · Sep 25, 2022

Ziggidy said:
Not sure if everyone understands what is happening here (everywhere).

For decades I have heard the arguments, the pointed fingers, the accusations and oh so many excuses; but yet, here we are. Drug abuse is a major problem, and has been for decades.There comes a time when people who fail to do their job forfeit their responsibility to another. There comes a time when the folks who want freedom so much they allow others to steal their freedom in the name of freedom; there is little or no freedoms left.

Fight for freedom? How? Stand for freedom? How? Allow everyone to do whatever they want in the name of freedom? Freedom is not allowing anyone to do anything. It's not about arguing against restriction for the safety of the majority.

What I see here, sorry to say, is some people want the freedom to do drugs and are willing sacrifice whatever it takes to obtain or keep that desired freedom. I have not seen responsibility practiced in a large enough environment to be convinced the outcomes can be acceptable, with minimal consequences.

We have family rules, societal rules, government rules for a reason. Yes, they can be (and are) taken advantage of but that is where "we the people" come in play. We need to make sure rules are not abused.

Sometimes denying rules can be as abusive as enforcing rules.

Drug abuse is a lot older than decades. Laws against use of drugs do nothing to stop addiction. They never have and never will. We had a great lesson in how prohibition fails, but rather than learning from it the government doubled down with the new target.

Ziggidy said:
What I see here, sorry to say, is some people want the freedom to do drugs and are willing sacrifice whatever it takes to obtain or keep that desired freedom. I have not seen responsibility practiced in a large enough environment to be convinced the outcomes can be acceptable, with minimal consequences.

I had to quote this part again. If that is what you see, you are blind. I know a lot of those that have spoken against prohibition here have stated they have no desire to take drugs legal or not. I have never taken any illegal drug, nor do I drink alcohol for the most part.

Freedom is letting people do stuff that you don't like that doesn't hurt other people. There is no more reason to stop a person from taking drugs than to stop people from participating in extreme sports. It isn't the government's job to protect people from themselves.

KLB · Sep 25, 2022

bwframe said:
I have found over the years that it gets quite touch and go when folks are reminded that it's a parent's responcibility to parent their children.

The only reason we are discussing this is that the community is forced to take action when "parents" refuse to accept their responcibility to parent.

.

The community wasn't forced to take this action. Someone with the school chose to.

NoSaintJoe · Sep 25, 2022

KLB said:
Freedom is letting people do stuff that you don't like that doesn't hurt other people. There is no more reason to stop a person from taking drugs than to stop people from participating in extreme sports. It isn't the government's job to protect people from themselves.

except that when society/taxpayers have to cover rehab, narcan, hospital expenses, burials, increased crime along with the victims, survivors of car wrecks by addicted drivers, the cops needed to respond, not to mention the children/foster parents/DCS caseworkers, just to mention a few.

There is no such thing as a “victimless crime” or it wouldn’t be criminal.

Creedmoor · Sep 25, 2022

KLB said:
Drug abuse is a lot older than decades. Laws against use of drugs do nothing to stop addiction. They never have and never will. We had a great lesson in how prohibition fails, but rather than learning from it the government doubled down with the new target.

I had to quote this part again. If that is what you see, you are blind. I know a lot of those that have spoken against prohibition here have stated they have no desire to take drugs legal or not. I have never taken any illegal drug, nor do I drink alcohol for the most part.

Freedom is letting people do stuff that you don't like that doesn't hurt other people. There is no more reason to stop a person from taking drugs than to stop people from participating in extreme sports. It isn't the government's job to protect people from themselves.

To narrow it down,
You cant Legislate Morality.

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