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Democrats want to Legalize Marijuana
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Again, who's claiming it will save money?
You won't see any decrease in prison populations because nobody is going to prison for marijuana anyway unless it's a semi load. Prisons =/= jails. Generally speaking, only sentences of over 1 year in duration are served in prisons. Anything less is served in county or regional jails, depending on the state. Today you wouldn't see much reduction in jails, either, for the reasons I've already stated. Possession of marijuana will not get you a jail stay, the jails are too full for that sort of crime to be punished by in custody sentences.
And no, I'm still not doing your research for you. There's much better arguments against the legalization then you've presented, though. See the amount of illegal grows trying to evade taxes, maybe you can bolster your argument with that. Regardless, legalization will happen.
In a thread on legalization of marijuana it would seem natural for the topic to focus on...marijuana. But you're not going to arrest your way out of any drug issue as long as the culture supports it.
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If you don't like it, you could always move to Ohio.
Oh, wait...
Republican Ohio Lawmakers Announce Marijuana Legalization Bill, Reflecting Recent Bipartisan Shift On Issue
For years, Democratic lawmakers have mostly led the charge in pushing for marijuana legalization—but that seems to be changing of late. The latest example comes from a pair of Ohio Republican lawmakers who announced a new bill to legalize cannabis on Tuesday, a move that comes as activists are...
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Instead of making it legal to buy in any corner stand, make people buy a license to purchase no different than our LTCH, fishing or hunting license? Add a nice little caveat that a valid pot license makes you ineligible for state social programs.
LTCH is not required to purchase a firearm.
Fishing and hunting licenses are not required to buy fishing and hunting gear.
Why not licenses to buy alcoholic beverages? Or violent video games? Or tannerite?
How much more control would you like the government to have over other people's lives to suit your moral standards?
I'm guessing that it's right up to the point where you are the one affected.
I think we have better things to do than arrest people for using marijuana.
At the very LEAST we should allow people to use it medically if their doctor believes it can help them.
Though personally, in my life experience I've never had much trouble with somebody who smoked pot, but have had PLENTY of trouble from people who drink too much.
On the medical issue, my first memory of this was about 40 years ago when a friend's younger sister was taking treatments for leukemia.
She had such bad nausea she had trouble eating and keeping anything down.
And any of the anti-nausea drugs she tried to take, she just threw back up before they could take effect.
Her parents, hardly advocates of recreational drug use, discretely found ways to get her marijuana because it helped her to be able to eat and not throw up everything.
She later passed, but this helped her stay nourished during the time she was fighting the leukemia.
Another case was a man I crossed paths with sometime ago who'd had a severe back injury where they put titanium rods in his spine to repair it.
The man got addicted to opiate pain killers because of the constant pain and had to go off of them, which took the help of Narcotics Anonymous to do because they messed him up so much.
So he began using marijuana for this to avoid using harder prescription drugs.
He certainly wasn't a pothead, but he found that marijuana helped him with the chronic pain enough so that he could stay off harder drugs and carry on a degree of a normal life.
The idea that either of these people should've been arrested and charged for marijuana possession is absurd.
At the very LEAST we should allow people to use it medically if their doctor believes it can help them.
Though personally, in my life experience I've never had much trouble with somebody who smoked pot, but have had PLENTY of trouble from people who drink too much.
On the medical issue, my first memory of this was about 40 years ago when a friend's younger sister was taking treatments for leukemia.
She had such bad nausea she had trouble eating and keeping anything down.
And any of the anti-nausea drugs she tried to take, she just threw back up before they could take effect.
Her parents, hardly advocates of recreational drug use, discretely found ways to get her marijuana because it helped her to be able to eat and not throw up everything.
She later passed, but this helped her stay nourished during the time she was fighting the leukemia.
Another case was a man I crossed paths with sometime ago who'd had a severe back injury where they put titanium rods in his spine to repair it.
The man got addicted to opiate pain killers because of the constant pain and had to go off of them, which took the help of Narcotics Anonymous to do because they messed him up so much.
So he began using marijuana for this to avoid using harder prescription drugs.
He certainly wasn't a pothead, but he found that marijuana helped him with the chronic pain enough so that he could stay off harder drugs and carry on a degree of a normal life.
The idea that either of these people should've been arrested and charged for marijuana possession is absurd.
And raising money from big pharma at the same time, to change their mind! Win/win.
The left is doing that as we speak.....We should start and promote making all mind altering intoxication not cool.
The anti-smoking campaigns have worked pretty well to make smoking no longer cool. Something along that line would do well to promote not altering people's mental status with any chemical.
Bottom line, we shouldn't change any laws. Just change attitudes about how to live life.
Wait we have kudzu in Hamilton county?!? I thought we were far enough north to not have it.
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If it’s not Kudzu it must be some virulent delta variant .
The question that has not been answered:
How will YOU reply to the question on the 4473 if you engage in the illegal drug?
States can do whatever but it still is a no-no with the federal law.
It's easy to throw out all the canned "pro-weed" answers but how does one support the legalization of a mind altering drug responsibly?
How will YOU reply to the question on the 4473 if you engage in the illegal drug?
States can do whatever but it still is a no-no with the federal law.
It's easy to throw out all the canned "pro-weed" answers but how does one support the legalization of a mind altering drug responsibly?
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You assume that those in favor of legalizing want it so they can legally consume it? I for one have never and have no desire to consume any drug in this context.
Easy, Freedom. The thing our country was founded on.
Yep, it is a coping mechanism. They lack the courage to say it all.
The feds have no constitutional authority to make them illegal. It is for states to decide. (See 18th amendment.) We need to get over this nannying of everybody else.
I don't consider cannabis to pose the threat to society that the others do. Cocaine can still be prescribed as it does have medicinal use. To classify cannabis as a Schedule I, meaning it has no medicinal value is beyond ridiculous considering the overwhelming amount of evidence to the contrary.
The question that has not been answered:
It it becomes legalized I suspect that question will be dropped from the 4473.
Cannabis is no more mind altering that alcohol and if someone is going to be armed while utilizing either I’d much prefer them to be on cannabis than alcohol.
I find it interesting that so many who are fine with alcohol take such a strong stance against cannabis. No one ever wants to hear it but if you find yourself in that category it is quite clear that you speak from a position of ignorance on the issue and you only know what you’ve been told.
I’ve yet to meet a LEO who would agree that cannabis poses a more significant, or even as much of a threat to the safety of the uninvolved than alcohol.
I’ve yet to meet a LEO who would agree that cannabis poses a more significant, or even as much of a threat to the safety of the uninvolved than alcohol.
That suggestion is BS. Why would he make such a shallow assumption? Particularly on this issue with so many corollaries that affect so many. For me to reach the belief in legalization of everything it was a combination of awareness all coming together.
We cannot keep drugs out of super max prisons, how can we keep them out of our country? We can’t.
The fiscal cost of the war on drugs.
The militarization of LEO to fight war on drugs.
The loss of civil liberties in the name of the war on drugs.
The understanding that some humans are flawed and NOTHING can change that.
The knowledge that in search of a “high” the addicted will do ANYTHING from huffing your AC refrigerant to cooking dangerous chemicals.
I have personally never taken any illegal drug but I am for complete legalization. Put the burden the families and organizations that want to help those with problems.
So here is the likely path it will take, assuming you process is like that in Michigan. Unless the Dem's control all the Indiana capital, the question will appear as a ballot initiative. Once those petitions begin being circulated big outside money will pour in particularly for the Soros groups. Once there are enough signatures collected big money will outspend the opponents 10, 12, 15 to 1. When it passes and it will, be prepared for at least a democrat for a governor, if you're lucky you won't lose the House or Senate to them either. Also, be prepare to lose other State wide offices.
We now have a governor, attorney general, and secretary of state that are referred to the 3 witches. Plus, there were other ballot initiatives like citizen redistricting that passed that are creating a nightmare.
The republican controlled House, Senate, and governor, had a chance to legalize mj prior to the 2018 election but didn't act. Now we have 2 more years of whitmer and her sisters.
We now have a governor, attorney general, and secretary of state that are referred to the 3 witches. Plus, there were other ballot initiatives like citizen redistricting that passed that are creating a nightmare.
The republican controlled House, Senate, and governor, had a chance to legalize mj prior to the 2018 election but didn't act. Now we have 2 more years of whitmer and her sisters.
While you're at it, can you also mandate they can use other drugs, like say Ivermectin, if their doctor believes it can help them?
I suspect, though, that since you can already force a pharmacist to dispense an abortifacient that you would be able to force them to fill a prescription for MJ too, because that aligns with the left's narrative. That same pharmacist would likely continue to be able to refuse to fill a valid prescription for Ivermectin because of his belief in the church of vaccination
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