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  • Denny347

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    Maybe the officers were in the wrong here, quite possible. However, that article and picture are rubbish when it comes to making a determination. Since I'm occasionally tasked with handling these types of situations, I'll give you a inside look at a similar situation that happens here in Indy EVERY year.

    Every year, we host the 500 Festival Parade the day before the Indy 500. It's a rather large parade the travels down City streets. For a few hours before the parade begins, spectators start arriving and picking a spot to watch. During that time, there are about half a dozen preachers with mics and speakers walking up and down the parade route, preaching fire and brimstone. They are in a City street blocked from vehicular traffic, so open to ALL pedestrians. 100% legal, freedom of speech and such. Just prior to the start of the parade, the streets it travels on goes from public to private. It becomes private property of the 500 Festival Parade Committee. The preachers are told it is time to vacate the street or be arrested for trespass. IMPD has a signed trespass agreement with the Committee that allows them to remove anyone from the route on their behalf. The preachers who have been doing this for awhile know this and move to other areas off the route to continue preaching. Sometimes there is one that refuses, and they are promptly arrested. They are pulled out of the parade's way (maybe onto a sidewalk) to be arrested. Now an easy headline is that a man was arrested for preaching (when in fact it was for trespass). Then someone takes a picture of the arrest (which takes place on the sidewalk so as to not interfere with the parade) which looks like the officers are arresting a preacher on a sidewalk. Then internet forums go full derp about the Constitutional violations going on there...blah blah blah....etc etc etc. Prosecutors are as political as any "true" politician and many times their actions are motivated by politics even if they say something else.
     

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    Maybe the officers were in the wrong here, quite possible. However, that article and picture are rubbish when it comes to making a determination. Since I'm occasionally tasked with handling these types of situations, I'll give you a inside look at a similar situation that happens here in Indy EVERY year.

    Every year, we host the 500 Festival Parade the day before the Indy 500. It's a rather large parade the travels down City streets. For a few hours before the parade begins, spectators start arriving and picking a spot to watch. During that time, there are about half a dozen preachers with mics and speakers walking up and down the parade route, preaching fire and brimstone. They are in a City street blocked from vehicular traffic, so open to ALL pedestrians. 100% legal, freedom of speech and such. Just prior to the start of the parade, the streets it travels on goes from public to private. It becomes private property of the 500 Festival Parade Committee. The preachers are told it is time to vacate the street or be arrested for trespass. IMPD has a signed trespass agreement with the Committee that allows them to remove anyone from the route on their behalf. The preachers who have been doing this for awhile know this and move to other areas off the route to continue preaching. Sometimes there is one that refuses, and they are promptly arrested. They are pulled out of the parade's way (maybe onto a sidewalk) to be arrested. Now an easy headline is that a man was arrested for preaching (when in fact it was for trespass). Then someone takes a picture of the arrest (which takes place on the sidewalk so as to not interfere with the parade) which looks like the officers are arresting a preacher on a sidewalk. Then internet forums go full derp about the Constitutional violations going on there...blah blah blah....etc etc etc. Prosecutors are as political as any "true" politician and many times their actions are motivated by politics even if they say something else.
    This is all 100% irrelevant. He was arrested for disorderly conduct, not trespass.
     

    JettaKnight

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    As long as he's not shouting and trying to force his beliefs on others, I completely agree. The first amendment should be used in a courteous manner.
    Indeed, I wonder which fruit of the spirit he was exhibiting?

    Christians are to be known for our joy and love, yet why are so many quick to anger and condemnation? Does he (or anyone else) think that someone celebrating there is going to hear him yell at them and decide they want to be a part of what he's selling? I'm a Christian, but I want none of it. Better to show someone that Jesus offers a a better and more beautiful life than to try to frighten them with threat of eternal conscious torment in hell.

    I'm certainly not condoning that lifestyle - I firmly hold to the traditional biblical view of marriage, but that's not the way to win souls to Christ.


    As to his arrest, I have no clue what took place before his allied started filming.
     

    HoosierLife

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    Indeed, I wonder which fruit of the spirit he was exhibiting?

    Christians are to be known for our joy and love, yet why are so many quick to anger and condemnation? Does he (or anyone else) think that someone celebrating there is going to hear him yell at them and decide they want to be a part of what he's selling? I'm a Christian, but I want none of it. Better to show someone that Jesus offers a a better and more beautiful life than to try to frighten them with threat of eternal conscious torment in hell.

    I'm certainly not condoning that lifestyle - I firmly hold to the traditional biblical view of marriage, but that's not the way to win souls to Christ.


    As to his arrest, I have no clue what took place before his allied started filming.
    Jude might have disagreed some.

    And of some have compassion, making a difference:
    23 And others save with fear, pulling themout of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.
     

    JettaKnight

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    Jude might have disagreed some.

    And of some have compassion, making a difference:
    23 And others save with fear, pulling themout of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.
    What about verse 22? "And have mercy on those who doubt"

    Does one show mercy to an unbeliever by yelling at them?


    One must be very careful when engaging in this behavior - am I doing it because I love these people? Do you have love and compassion for the man in drag and the transgender? Or is it a boastful righteousness with the intent to condemn sin? Am I showing off how much I love the law? Am I living more like Christ or more like the Pharisees?

    At this point, ask any queer what Christians think of their actions and they know. No one is under any sort of delusion about how evangelicals feel about Pride Month.


    The problem is we have Christians that can't see the sin (liberal mainstream), and Christians that can't see past the sin.
     

    Ziggidy

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    The problem is we have Christians that can't see the sin (liberal mainstream), and Christians that can't see past the sin.
    If that’s true, how do we fix it?

    Actually there are also those who see the sin and do nothing, those who embrace the sin in fear of alienating the sinner.

    How do we fix this?
     

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    Any reasonable person would have to admit the go-along-get-along, be nicer than Christ method of witnessing Christians have done over the last 50 (?) years has done so much to gain followers and grow the church.
     
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