Can't wear a Jesus Saves shirt in the Mall of America?

[Hoosier Carry]

Depends on the venue, I suppose. A football game is not the local mall.

Did anyone threaten to lynch or shoot the guy because of his T-shirt?

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It shouldn’t depend on the venue according to you. “ Their house their rules”. If a nfl franchise wanted a player removed because he was being confrontational over standing for the national anthem, it would never happen because, well you know, woke. But the guy and his confrontational t-shirt has to go right. Mostly because it says Jesus. But that’s ok your going to hold it to your reasoning which only works for your narrative.

Remember Jesus does save!

I’m out

 

[Route 45]

I was in a local Lowes over the christmas holiday and a worker had a t-shirt on that said happy birthday satan. Was I offended, sure I but let it go because we are America. People have the right to wear and say things that I don't like. It's the American way.

Somehow, I think you'd be orders of magnitude less strident in your defense of the Mall of America shopper if this was his T-shirt...

 

[Route 45]

I’m out

It's probably for the best.

 

[Hoosierdood]

I think this event perfectly exemplifies a trend that we have discussed ad nauseum on INGO. With any news outlet, it isn't about the story as much as it is about getting people to read your article. Anything to get people angry, interested, talking about, etc.

So the title is that "Jesus Saves shirt is offending" isn't completely accurate. It is creative reporting that will guarantee the readers to be emotionally invested. Which is just what we have seen here in this thread. The fact that the shirt ALSO included phrasing that could be deemed divisive has been carefully left out, and the article dials in on the fact that a man was removed from a mall because he is religious. We have all been baited... and some have taken that bait.

I am a devout Christian, and am unashamed of that fact. I wouldn't personally wear that shirt, but I support the man's right to wear it. I also know there are MANY who don't share my beliefs. The best way for me to share my faith with others is not to immediately ostracize others who don't agree with me, but to be a light and show them a better way. That's not what this man's shirt was doing. So I also support the mall's right to remove someone who may cause a disturbance.

There are hills to die on. This is not one of them.

 

[G192127]

I guess my ? Would be..
Who in their right mind would want to go to a mall.

 

[Creedmoor]

@Route 45, @Creedmoor , and I disagree on many things even just recently, that doesn't mean we all kick each other out.
Regardless of our beliefs we expressed them on certain subjects, and I agree with them on many things, and disagree with them on many things. Yet here we are still discussing many different things.
We're all like a big family,, and family has its good times, and it's bad times. At the end of the day we are still INGO family.

I think this forum is very open for religious as well as none religious. IMO it's a rare site, and I'm glad I'm a member of it.

Yes and no, the disappointing thing here is.
If you go against the grain on one topic or more, you will eventually loose the privilege to post in certain arenas here.
The irony is, shortly the thread dies a death with no more good discussion for the most part.

 

[ljk]

Go on youtube, search "black friday mall of america".

You won't see jesus shirts.

 

[Sigblitz]

He probably got the shirt at Macy's.

 

[daddyusmaximus]

Despite the fact that his shirt had the "coexist" logo crossed out on the back, it can only been see as "offensive" by someone LOOKING to find offense. Simply marking it out isn't vulgar. It's just stating that's not what he agrees with. Only a sad, pitiful loser LOOKING for something to be aggrieved by, would take offense by it. The world is chock full of those idiots these days, and they are given way too much heed. I find it sickening.

 

[Shadow01]

Last I checked, the Mall of America is not Congress or the government.

Do they get any government money or tax breaks? If so I would say they are no different than a public school.

 

[Shadow01]

The back of his T-shirt literally has a red line across all other religions. It's not the same as a simple profession of faith. It is calling all other religions false.

That’s the basis of Christianity. All other religions are false. Nothing wrong here. As a free nation you are required to tolerate other’s ideas and beliefs. If not, you can at your choosing shrink to the Biden basement.

 

[DragonGunner]

Honestly, no. At the time, yes, don't risk a trespass arrest, but that just caters to the continuing balkanization of the US. It's no different than banning Muslim attire from a business. Everyone should be free to participate equally in the economy, assuming they have the financial means to do so, aren't causing a health risk/security issue, etc.

Now, we know sometimes the video doesn't tell the whole story. Maybe the guy was making a disturbance prior to cameras rolling, I'm not judging the event from this distance, BUT just saying "eff it, let them ban Christian themed T-shirts" isn't right either.

Oh ya I agree, you not going to win right there because of the tresspass situation. Live to fight another day on better terms. That’s why I brought up if the social media got involved and wanted the Mall to step up. You either fire the guard or change policy or you back it so everyone knows. Put the Mall on the spot if this is their stance. Could have been just a Mall cop who hated Christians.

 

[Ziggidy]

The back of his T-shirt literally has a red line across all other religions. It's not the same as a simple profession of faith. It is calling all other religions false.

so what....

 

[Ziggidy]

I think this event perfectly exemplifies a trend that we have discussed ad nauseum on INGO. With any news outlet, it isn't about the story as much as it is about getting people to read your article. Anything to get people angry, interested, talking about, etc.

So the title is that "Jesus Saves shirt is offending" isn't completely accurate. It is creative reporting that will guarantee the readers to be emotionally invested. Which is just what we have seen here in this thread. The fact that the shirt ALSO included phrasing that could be deemed divisive has been carefully left out, and the article dials in on the fact that a man was removed from a mall because he is religious. We have all been baited... and some have taken that bait.

I am a devout Christian, and am unashamed of that fact. I wouldn't personally wear that shirt, but I support the man's right to wear it. I also know there are MANY who don't share my beliefs. The best way for me to share my faith with others is not to immediately ostracize others who don't agree with me, but to be a light and show them a better way. That's not what this man's shirt was doing. So I also support the mall's right to remove someone who may cause a disturbance.

There are hills to die on. This is not one of them.

1) Christianity is not a religion.
2) If you proclaim Christ as your savior, then it is apparent to you that all religion is false.

Tolerance works if everyone follows the same rules. We all know this is not the case, in this situation or others. There is an all out attack on Christianity and those who chose to turn a blind eye will not see it. Most of us know what BLM represents, but if we speak out against it, "we" are attacked. BLM can speak out against whatever they wish and is accepted as a release for them....as they have allegedly seen and experienced.

People will seemingly tolerate BLM and such much more than one wearing a christian t-shirt. People have allowed themselves to be manipulated in a poor example of righteousness. I might not like what you say but will fight to defend it is absent from the lips of people.....even those who call themselves patriots of this once great nation. Their silence is destroying America.

 

[DadSmith]

Now if he went out, and put duct tape on the coexist part walked back in with the same shirt on I still think he would be kicked out at that point again. I believe they were after Jesus Saves, and he is the only way to heaven part. Not the coexist. I seen a cross on that coexist as well. So in a way he is right religion will not get you to heaven. Only a relationship with the Christ will.

Like @DoggyDaddy and @BehindBlueI's said people are looking for ways to be offended.
I think the guy did okay he wasn't angry he was defending his position, and everything ended peaceful.
Absolutely nothing wrong with defending your position if done properly.

 

[MCgrease08]

The back of his T-shirt literally has a red line across all other religions. It's not the same as a simple profession of faith. It is calling all other religions false.

And?

Should we ban the Bible too because it declares other religions false?

The back of the shirt clearly is a reference to John 14:6

 

[chipbennett]

Honestly, no. At the time, yes, don't risk a trespass arrest, but that just caters to the continuing balkanization of the US. It's no different than banning Muslim attire from a business. Everyone should be free to participate equally in the economy, assuming they have the financial means to do so, aren't causing a health risk/security issue, etc.

Now, we know sometimes the video doesn't tell the whole story. Maybe the guy was making a disturbance prior to cameras rolling, I'm not judging the event from this distance, BUT just saying "eff it, let them ban Christian themed T-shirts" isn't right either.

According to the article, the guy said that he didn't say anything. He just went into Macy's to shop.

The security guard made some rather dubious claims about his shirt violating mall policy against "soliciting" and "...religious...slurs...", none of which wearing a shirt that says "Jesus Saves" constitutes.

The article also indicated that it appears that, eventually, the man was allowed to continue shopping while wearing the shirt.

This might be one of those cases where I would push the issue. I don't think Paul Blart has the authority to trespass someone? I am pretty sure I would force him to get an actual agent/representative of the mall to trespass me, before agreeing to leave. That way, I have solid grounds to sue the mall.

 

[chipbennett]

It's confrontational against all of the other religions.

But is it a "slur" against those religions, specifically?

Guess what? Almost all of those other religions believe the same thing: that their belief system is the only way to reach heaven (or their version of it).

It is not a slur against Christianity for a Muslim to say that Allah is the only way to reach paradise.

 

[chipbennett]

From the Mall of America dress code:

Clothing/Attire​

Appropriate attire, including shirts and shoes, must be worn. Inappropriate attire may include, but is not limited to:

• Apparel that has obscene language, obscene gestures or racial/religious/ethnic slurs that are likely to create a disturbance

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Wearing a shirt that calls all other religions false seems to qualify to me. Nah, I can't see this causing a disturbance with Muslim or Jewish shoppers.

Where, exactly, does the shirt call all other religions "false"?

(Spoiler alert: Muslims and at least part, if not all, Jews believe the same thing - that their belief system is the only way.)

 

[chipbennett]

Their house, their rules.

If the height of your oppression is having to wear a different T-shirt to a mall, you're a long way from the Auschwitz 3:00pm train, homie.

Now do drag shows.

(Unequal enforcement of their own published policies opens them up to civil liability, I'm fairly certain.)