Who tiled my kitchen like this?!

[JettaKnight]

Well, six years later and the wife wants a new dishwasher. I had to dig up this thread to figure out how I solved this problem last time.

INGO FTW.


I'm not looking forward to this weekend.

 

[Ingomike]

OK, it's done.


I had to use a hacksaw and cut off the feet - no long term consequence because it didn't actually rest on the feet, just the bottom rails.


I finally pulled it out and deduced that the problem was a (really) loose neutral connector in the breaker box.

I have a similar situation with the tile and granite tops. I have to find a dishwasher the bride likes and fits the hole…

 

[Mr. Habib]

Well, six years later and the wife wants a new dishwasher. I had to dig up this thread to figure out how I solved this problem last time.

INGO FTW.


I'm not looking forward to this weekend.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but code requires new dish washers to be plugged into a receptacle, not hard wired like in the past. You may have some electrical work to add to your fun.

 

[Timjoebillybob]

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but code requires new dish washers to be plugged into a receptacle, not hard wired like in the past. You may have some electrical work to add to your fun.

When did that come out? I think they hardwired mine about 2 yrs ago but not sure.

 

[Mr. Habib]

No

When did that come out? I think they hardwired mine about 2 yrs ago but not sur

Not sure when this happened. We did a kitchen remodel about a year ago and I had to install a receptacle then. The new dishwashers only came with a fixed cord and plug. It wasn't a big deal to do, I just split a receptacle and fed one half for the dishwasher and the other half from the switched line for the disposal. The wires were already in the sink base.

When did that come out? I think they hardwired mine about 2 yrs ago but not sure.

 

[Ingomike]

When did that come out? I think they hardwired mine about 2 yrs ago but not sure.

422.16(B)(2) Built-in Dishwashers and Trash Compactors.

The receptacle for a built-in dishwasher shall be located in the space adjacent to the space occupied by the dishwasher.

www.electricallicenserenewal.com

 

[Ingomike]

I believe garbage disposals are now cord and receptacle instead of hard wired.

 

[AndreusMaximus]

Is the second guy posting in this thread the infamous "Kut" I've heard so much about?

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Is the second guy posting in this thread the infamous "Kut" I've heard so much about?

Yep. That was him.

 

[Timjoebillybob]

I believe garbage disposals are now cord and receptacle instead of hard wired.

Thanks much. I'll have to check but I'm pretty positive the disposal isn't plugged in and if the dishwasher is the receptacle isn't accessible without pulling the dishwasher.

 

[Ingomike]

Thanks much. I'll have to check but I'm pretty positive the disposal isn't plugged in and if the dishwasher is the receptacle isn't accessible without pulling the dishwasher.

When I replaced my dishwasher in 2019 they put in a plug receptacle on the existing hard wire. My garbage disposal is still hard wired. It is funny, if there is romex in a cabinet they say it must be in conduit but a cheap power cord is allowed.

 

[Timjoebillybob]

When I replaced my dishwasher in 2019 they put in a plug receptacle on the existing hard wire. My garbage disposal is still hard wired. It is funny, if there is romex in a cabinet they say it must be in conduit but a cheap power cord is allowed.

Garbage disposal/dishwasher along with all the wiring in the house is new as of 2020. Along with pretty much everything else but the foundation and framing. Siding is going up as I type, well the foam board and house wrap is. Soon it'll be time to start on the garage. And of course last week my wife wanted to go look at a house for sale...

 

[indyblue]

You can still buy wired or plugin disposers. I just replaced mine last year which is wired.

I think if your current one is wired it is grandfathered and not required to change it. New construction however....

 

[Ingomike]

You can still buy wired or plugin disposers. I just replaced mine last year which is wired.

I think if your current one is wired it is grandfathered and not required to change it. New construction however....

I hope I never have to replace my garbage disposal. I bought a 1hp Insinkerator that was reported to be the toughest ever made about 10 years ago. There were videos of it grinding coal dry for hours in testing to demonstrate how tough it was, and it certainly has lived up to the hype. It replaced an anemic 1/2hp…

 

[indyblue]

I hope I never have to replace my garbage disposal. I bought a 1hp Insinkerator that was reported to be the toughest ever made about 10 years ago. There were videos of it grinding coal dry for hours in testing to demonstrate how tough it was, and it certainly has lived up to the hype. It replaced an anemic 1/2hp…

Mines the 3/4 horse Insinkerator batch type where you have to stick the stopper in to run it. It utilizes a magnetic switch inside to turn it on which make it impossible to get a limb into it while running or grinding up a dropped spoon.

 

[Ingomike]

Mines the 3/4 horse Insinkerator batch type where you have to stick the stopper in to run it. It utilizes a magnetic switch inside to turn it on which make it impossible to get a limb into it while running or grinding up a dropped spoon.

Oh my, I would hate that! Another thing I will take with me from my current house.

 

[Ingomike]

While on the topic of home improvements, be sure to run plenty of water through your drain system. The low-flo toilets do not put enough water in the drain system to wash the waste out of the lines. Long showers and full bathtubs drained do help with this issue.

 

[JettaKnight]

No

Not sure when this happened. We did a kitchen remodel about a year ago and I had to install a receptacle then. The new dishwashers only came with a fixed cord and plug. It wasn't a big deal to do, I just split a receptacle and fed one half for the dishwasher and the other half from the switched line for the disposal. The wires were already in the sink base.

And it has to be in an adjacent space.
Looks like this was a 2017 change. But I believe Allen county is still on NEC 2008.

 

[Timjoebillybob]

And it has to be in an adjacent space.
Looks like this was a 2017 change. But I believe Allen county is still on NEC 2008.

I believe all of IN is, unless a specific county requires more.

While on the topic of home improvements, be sure to run plenty of water through your drain system. The low-flo toilets do not put enough water in the drain system to wash the waste out of the lines. Long showers and full bathtubs drained do help with this issue.

That's the main thing I use the disposal for, when I do a load of dishes by hand I kick the disposal on and it forces the water down much faster than just pulling the plug.

 

[jkaetz]

And it has to be in an adjacent space.
Looks like this was a 2017 change. But I believe Allen county is still on NEC 2008.

I'm guessing builders started doing this long ago. My 2006 house was built with an outlet under the sink. Half was switched for the disposal, the other half was always hot for the dishwasher. I'm also guessing the idea is you can open the cabinet and yank the plug in an emergency much faster than finding a circuit breaker.