DeSantis 2024?

[manifest destiny]

There's too much time between now and then to be certain, but Desantis has a tough choice. Try and strike when the irons hot, lose, become roommates with John Kasich. Or wait one more term for a clearer path, lose because nobody gives a damn about election integrity, and spends the rest of his days wonder why the establishment R's lied to him.

 

[BugI02]

This is why all Trump really has as a weapon is personal attacks. Trump can't attack DeSantis's accomplishments. People all over has seen how he leads in FL and they want that scaled to the nation. The only legitimate attack Trump might have against DeSantis is the uknown. DeSantis hasn't been tested at that scale. Trump has, and he did better than I thought he would. But Trump was once an unknown too. And but for the blind faith Trumpers had in him, not having the same showcase of real leadership skills DeSantis has put on display in handling some really tough situations, there was never a reason other than Trump's words to believe in him.

I will withhold judgement until I see if DeSantis is able to unequivocally embrace America First populism AFTER he has declared. Any crawfishing will eliminate him from my consideration unless I have no other choice

You are correct that Trump was once an unknown, but he was selected because he was different from a field of establishment hacks (and alone in that difference)

He is no longer an unknown but DeSantis still is at that level, he is still a big fish in a small pond. He is being aggressively positioned as the next big thing, something I intuitively distrust - especially when that push is to anoint him before testing him

Much is made, by you as well as others, about how he has handled Florida especially with respect to covid, but he was able to be pressured into shutting down although he became skeptical of that fairly quickly. He did not, however, put his skepticism into action and simply lift the restrictions entirely but rather in phases and cautiously. Caution is not necessarily a bad thing in my book, but I wouldn't lionize him without better information on if he made that choice out of pragmatic, economic concerns or concerns over liberty for his states citizens

"Seven states—Arkansas, Iowa, Nebraska, North Dakota, South Dakota, Utah, and Wyoming—did not issue orders directing residents to stay at home from nonessential activities in March and April 2020 in response to the coronavirus pandemic. The 43 other states all issued orders at the state level directing residents to stay at home except for essential activities and closing businesses that each state deemed nonessential."

I'm not seeing Florida in that list of states whose governors truly rejected lockdowns, yet I don't see much attention being given to arguably equally or more courageous decision making at the state level, nor any recognition that a governor (especially one whose party holds both chambers of the state legislature) has more absolute authority than a president ever will. I would like to hear his plans for operating as a same-sized fish in a much bigger pond

I have every intention of voting for him in the general if he wins the primary. I will not vote for him in the primary and would like to see him actually WIN the primary instead of seeking a bye

I would be quite impressed if he came out and specifically said that the next Republican presidential candidate should be chosen via the crucible of the primaries in order to be sure he can represent the preferences of all the people because they will all have had a chance to weigh in

If he himself begins pushing for a coronation I will be even more suspicious

 

[BugI02]

The latter was a con job from his advisors. Trump doing that executive action didn't appease anyone. The story petered out before they ever officially defined bump stocks as "machine guns". If that was to appease anyone, Trump could have said he was going to do it, and then sweep it under the rug. [appoint a commission to study it]

Fixy

 

[drillsgt]

I voted for him twice, but have to face the reality that the will of the voters in the past two elections indicate that he is unelectable. He is hated by more people (who vote) than he is loved. Time for the Republican Party to move on if they want to win elections.

Unfortunately the Republican Party gives us the likes of McCain and Romney, we don't want to return to the 'it's their turn' type of presidential candidate.

 

[jamil]

Fixy

Yeah, sure. That's a great way to sweep it under the rug. Instead he continued on with it and here we are with a precedent of a president ordering a bureaucracy to change a definition codified in a law passed by congress in order to ban something the law did not ban.

 

[BugI02]

Yeah, sure. That's a great way to sweep it under the rug. Instead he continued on with it and here we are with a precedent of a president ordering a bureaucracy to change a definition codified in a law passed by congress in order to ban something the law did not ban.

Do you KNOW his reasoning for doing what he did or just assume you do? Might there be facts not in evidence that affected that decision?

And just for you, I'll admit that I don't know if there was ANY reasoning involved or he just went with a gut/knee-jerk reaction

Given the cauldron he was in, I tend to favor the idea that there were pressures we will never know

Given that an EXTREMELY high profile, random mass shooting/murder had taken place featuring EBRs (a perennial leftist target) and bumpstocks (a device whose sole purpose is to increase the rate of fire of an EBR), what does your finely tuned ability to dispassionately examine all sides of every issue tell you about the likelihood of draconian gun control measures being drafted and whether an attempt to pass them would be in the offing?

 

[KLB]

Do you KNOW his reasoning for doing what he did or just assume you do? Might there be facts not in evidence that affected that decision?

And just for you, I'll admit that I don't know if there was ANY reasoning involved or he just went with a gut/knee-jerk reaction

Given the cauldron he was in, I tend to favor the idea that there were pressures we will never know

Given that an EXTREMELY high profile, random mass shooting/murder had taken place featuring EBRs (a perennial leftist target) and bumpstocks (a device whose sole purpose is to increase the rate of fire of an EBR), what does your finely tuned ability to dispassionately examine all sides of every issue tell you about the likelihood of draconian gun control measures being drafted and whether an attempt to pass them would be in the offing?

We've already been down that path.

What was sacrificed after the other high profile shootings to stop these draconian gun control laws from being passed?

 

[jamil]

Do you KNOW his reasoning for doing what he did or just assume you do? Might there be facts not in evidence that affected that decision?

And just for you, I'll admit that I don't know if there was ANY reasoning involved or he just went with a gut/knee-jerk reaction

Given the cauldron he was in, I tend to favor the idea that there were pressures we will never know

Given that an EXTREMELY high profile, random mass shooting/murder had taken place featuring EBRs (a perennial leftist target) and bumpstocks (a device whose sole purpose is to increase the rate of fire of an EBR), what does your finely tuned ability to dispassionately examine all sides of every issue tell you about the likelihood of draconian gun control measures being drafted and whether an attempt to pass them would be in the offing?

I know what I've been told by Trumpers was the reason. And that's probably the reason. But my instincts keep telling me that Ivanka's heart bled and so daddy fixed stuff.

What my dispassionate examination of the situation tells me is that it's doubtful that it staved off stronger legislation. Serously. Why would it? They want a AWB. Why would they say, oh, yeah, since you're banning bump stocks used by almost no one, we'll not use this shooting to further pursue our holy grail. It fizzled out because the press eventually dropped the story. Just like it has with every other shooting.

One other thing about their holy grail. I suspect that there may be some reality behind the idea that the DNC is really not as serious as they portray about actually doing an AWB, because it fires up the base in campaign season, and it's great funding fodder. Not that we want to believe that and let our vigilance go dormant. We still need to continually press against anti gun zealots and support organizations that help the fight.

 

[DadSmith]

I know what I've been told by Trumpers was the reason. And that's probably the reason. But my instincts keep telling me that Ivanka's heart bled and so daddy fixed stuff.

What my dispassionate examination of the situation tells me is that it's doubtful that it staved off stronger legislation. Serously. Why would it? They want a AWB. Why would they say, oh, yeah, since you're banning bump stocks used by almost no one, we'll not use this shooting to further pursue our holy grail. It fizzled out because the press eventually dropped the story. Just like it has with every other shooting.

One other thing about their holy grail. I suspect that there may be some reality behind the idea that the DNC is really not as serious as they portray about actually doing an AWB, because it fires up the base in campaign season, and it's great funding fodder. Not that we want to believe that and let our vigilance go dormant. We still need to continually press against anti gun zealots and support organizations that help the fight.

Mr Obama has stock in S&W and Ruger. I'm sure he doesn't want an AWB. We was a very good firearms salesman while in office.

 

[Ingomike]

They want a AWB. Why would they say, oh, yeah, since you're banning bump stocks used by almost no one,

You know that there is a spectrum of congressional representatives. There are rabid dogs on each end and squishy in the middle. I believe the squishy middle was about to cave and the bumpstock thing gave the necessary time for the press to move on. After all, they are used by “almost no one”…

 

[DadSmith]

You know that there is a spectrum of congressional representatives. There are rabid dogs on each end and squishy in the middle. I believe the squishy middle was about to cave and the bumpstock thing gave the necessary time for the press to move on. After all, they are used by “almost no one”…

We call it a ban but it's actually not a ban its just moved to the tax bracket, and big brother approval. I really do not see how the NFA can pass the shall not infringe part.

 

[Ingomike]

We call it a ban but it's actually not a ban its just moved to the tax bracket, and big brother approval. I really do not see how the NFA can pass the shall not infringe part.

I suspect the NFA was done at a time that society desperately wanted to move beyond the Wild West/rural caricature to a suave and sophisticated urban persona. A time when only ganstas had guns. This was not only the thinking of the people but of the courts.

I believe our passions about the second are not paralleled in US history since the founders era…

 

[SheepDog4Life]

Yeah, almost as good as DeWine's

So, DeWine flipped three US House seats red and attained a super majority in both state legislatures?

 

[SheepDog4Life]

Desantis doesn't need to do anything at this point but govern and mock Trump on occasion when he gets out over his skis, which he regularly does... "check the scoreboard", lol!

Much like he eviscerated his critics over being "absent"... he let the chorus grow and grow, then announced he had been at his wife's side during cancer treatments.

He just might be a troll-killer... and Trump is the king of the trolls.

We'll see.

 

[Bugzilla]

One negative of Desantis in 2024 is we loose 4 years of presidency. Trump 2024, Desantis 2028-36. Desantis can cement his gains in Florida. I’m OK with Desantis as VP so he can learn the ins and outs of DC as VP and not President.

 

[jamil]

You know that there is a spectrum of congressional representatives. There are rabid dogs on each end and squishy in the middle. I believe the squishy middle was about to cave and the bumpstock thing gave the necessary time for the press to move on. After all, they are used by “almost no one”…

You've made it clear that you believe Trump ordered this by fiat to appease the squishies, and you think this was a viable strategy compared to standing firm--you know, because Trump is such a stud against squishies. Okay, let's assume you're right. That means that if that was a viable strategy, LG and all the other INGOers who ever advocated compromise in order to fend off worse legislation were also advocating a viable strategy.

So then you should switch to their side of it if you want to maintain consistency. You now have to start agreeing with them because you'd be inconsistent if not. You should not advocate compromising on gun laws so that we appease the anti-gun zealots, so they won't do worse.

I mean, dude, it's okay if your heroes have warts. You can knowledge uncomfortable, but obvious truths, while still finding admirable things about your heroes. You don't have force yourself into inconsistent beliefs just to maintain a perfect image of Trump.

It was an unconstitutional move for him to order the BATF'kers to change a definition by fiat which originated by an act of congress. It is a bad strategy to compromise some rights so that anti-gun zealots won't go after more rights. Trump was flat out wrong. But you guys have to make this into some grand genius move by your hero so that you don't have to admit that he has warts too.

 

[KLB]

One negative of Desantis in 2024 is we loose 4 years of presidency. Trump 2024, Desantis 2028-36. Desantis can cement his gains in Florida. I’m OK with Desantis as VP so he can learn the ins and outs of DC as VP and not President.

Four years of Trump would more likely get us another Democrat.

 

[jamil]

One negative of Desantis in 2024 is we loose 4 years of presidency. Trump 2024, Desantis 2028-36. Desantis can cement his gains in Florida. I’m OK with Desantis as VP so he can learn the ins and outs of DC as VP and not President.

You assume Trump, or even DeSantis, for that matter COULD win in 2024. If GOP does not learn how to make mail-in voting and ballot harvesting work for them, Republicans won't win another national election.

And it only gets worse from here. The more each generation is removed from the breadth and depth of our national history, the less of that spirit of rugged individualism of our forefathers will live on in each American. Zoomers don't think like Boomers, or even gen-x.

They weren't taught what we were. They don't know the history we know. They're taught that our way of life was historically evil. they think Boomers have no wisdom that could possibly increase their own. They don't give a **** about the same things we do.

Democrats figured out how to get the laziest voting age people to vote. Mail-in ballots combined with ballot harvesting. That's not going away. People really like it. It doesn't matter that it should not be legal. So the lazy 16 year old today will vote in 2024 without having to do much more than just sign a ballot already filled out by some blue haired bat **** crazy Democrat. This is what Republicans have to compete against.

 

[FNparabellum]

I sure hope so. Trump was a disappointment and I wont be voting for him again if i can help it. Just like any Democrat he said hes pro gun then passed gun control.

 

[jamil]

Four years of Trump would more likely get us another Democrat.

While true, like I said, I don't even think we'll get another Trump presidency. Republicans still need to figure out how to exploit main-in ballots like Democrats do.

Also, Republicans have to find better ways to dispel the media narrative against them. It would help if Trump would be a bit less Trumpy.