The Real Costs of Electric Car Ownership - CNET

[SkullDaddy.45]

It’s worth noting that some of the demand is market driven. A lot of people like EV’s for the technology itself. You have a big ass battery that powers one or more motors that drive the wheels. You get instant, sometimes hella torque. They’re cool cars indeed.

They’re not ready to replace ICE though. It’s just too bad that they’ve been so politicized by ideologically driven people, who think they need to force them on the public.

They are cool. But usually before you sell anything to the public you work the bugs out first. Much like the vax they'll just sit back and see what happens. What could go wrong right?

 

[jamil]

They are cool. But usually before you sell anything to the public you work the bugs out first. Much like the vax they'll just sit back and see what happens. What could go wrong right?

I guess you have to start somewhere. The earliest EV’s seemed to prove only that they weren’t good at anything. Leaf and Volt were both monuments to that. Then Tesla came along and figured some things out. Eventually they had a viable product. Not across the spectrum of uses but they had their narrow usefulness. Most of the major issues that I would say are bugs inherent in the technology that remain is the potential for battery fires. They’re rare, but catastrophic when they happen. The range and battery life issues manifest mainly in limitations in the way people can use them. Daily driver? Fine. Beyond that, it’s just nit there yet.

 

[SkullDaddy.45]

I guess you have to start somewhere. The earliest EV’s seemed to prove only that they weren’t good at anything. Leaf and Volt were both monuments to that. Then Tesla came along and figured some things out. Eventually they had a viable product. Not across the spectrum of uses but they had their narrow usefulness. Most of the major issues that I would say are bugs inherent in the technology that remain is the potential for battery fires. They’re rare, but catastrophic when they happen. The range and battery life issues manifest mainly in limitations in the way people can use them. Daily driver? Fine. Beyond that, it’s just nit there yet.

Fires will become more prevalent as more cars are sold. Tesla have for sure been leading the way to better and more efficient technology. I see them as more of a 2nd vehicle for around town driving. Have to wait and see what the future holds.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Car companies are no different than your average consumer. They like to chase fads too. I still remember the ‘80s when anything Japanese was something to emulate. At our plant (an aluminum diecasting plant) we chased any Japanese technology we could. I often wondered how they were laughing at us scooping up any bottle of Japanese snake oil they could sell us.

They’re doing the same thing now with EVs. They all want to be just like Tesla.

 

[hoglegs]

The powers that be can't be this stupid as to push this crap & not know it will end in disaster. The USA consumes 135 billion gallons of gas alone a year. (forget diesel for a minute) At ~10Kw per gallon (@IC ~30% efficiency) thats adding 1.35 quadrillion watts of demand on an electric grid that is already shutting off peoples air conditioning as we speak? An average household consumes about 12Kw per day. Now add 20-40Kw to that every night to top off your BEV daily commuter... Not to mention that half the USA is still powered by coal-fired plants which are evil and *must* be shut down. (thanks woke-Nipsco) Oh, and we can't go nuclear because that fission stuff is evil too. So it's windmills & solar panels made in China, in coal powered factories dumping toxic waste into rivers... And speaking of, how 'bout that 500,000 pounds of earth dug up in China to make ONE Bev battery?? How green is your Tesla now? My 4 banger 'yota gets 35mpg & has 300K miles, still runs great. If it was a BEV I would be on my THIRD set of batteries by now, at $15,000 to $20,000 a pop. And lets not even think about the cost per Kilowatt-Hour of electricity in 10 years when the green-fairies shut down all the coal, gas & nuke plants. WTF, can anyone be serious with this crap?? really??? Come on sheeple, use your heads

 

[wtburnette]

They are hell bent on destroying our civilization and way of life. If anyone finds their mandates and ridiculousness odd, you only have to keep that in mind for it to make sense. Senile Hitler hates you and wants you dead.

 

[88E30M50]

I have read that the carbon footprint of a typical gasoline powered car, including manufacture and operation for 55,000 miles is the same as the carbon footprint of just manufacturing the battery for a Tesla. Add to that, the fact that it takes 6 times the energy to manufacture a part from aluminum as it does for a part made of steel. EVs require a extensive use of aluminum to counter the weight of the battery.

In other words, it’s likely that the carbon footprint of an EV will never match that of a standard gasoline powered car in its entire life. There is nothing green about an EV.

 

[jamil]

I read an article awhile back that compared the carbon footprint of a Tesla to a Rav4. The carbon footprint of the Tesla is way higher. But as the miles pile on, the EV's catch up. At just over 20K miles is where it breaks even when you consider the carbon foot print of both, in manufacturing and driving. It's total carbon footprint that matters in the end, that is if you care at all about that sort of thing.

On average, the carbon footprint of generating the electricity it takes to charge the Tesla is 34% of the carbon footprint of the Rav4 burning gasoline. EV's are much more efficient. An ICE engine converts up to 30% of the energy from gasoline to power at the wheels. An EV converts ~80% of the power from the grid to power at the wheel. I don't think that it's true that a Tesla has a larger carbon footprint at the end of its life.

But, one thing about that, the smug progressive virtue signaling their new Tesla all over town likely STILL contributes more carbon. It's the person who buys that car used who gets to brag about lower carbon footprint. The smug Tesla driver will probably lease it, or trade it in after 3 years, and will never have driven that lower carbon footprint.

 

[Ingomike]

Don’t know how I missed this and reposted it an hour later. LOL

 

[Ingomike]

They are hell bent on destroying our civilization and way of life.

(Yelling on purpose). IT WAS NEVER ABOUT TRANSPORTATION AND THE ENVIRONMENT, IT WAS ALWAYS ABOUT CONTROL…

 

[wtburnette]

(Yelling on purpose). IT WAS NEVER ABOUT TRANSPORTATION AND THE ENVIRONMENT, IT WAS ALWAYS ABOUT CONTROL…

Yep, that's what I'm saying.

 

[Ingomike]

I have read that the carbon footprint of a typical gasoline powered car, including manufacture and operation for 55,000 miles is the same as the carbon footprint of just manufacturing the battery for a Tesla. Add to that, the fact that it takes 6 times the energy to manufacture a part from aluminum as it does for a part made of steel. EVs require a extensive use of aluminum to counter the weight of the battery.

In other words, it’s likely that the carbon footprint of an EV will never match that of a standard gasoline powered car in its entire life. There is nothing green about an EV.

There was a study circulated when the Pious first came out that detailed all the pollution created by the Toyota vs a Chevy suburban over a 250,000 mile life. While it is somewhat subjective as to which pollution is worse it was clear to thinking people, that the EV was not a panacea…

 

[SkullDaddy.45]

My goal is to leave the biggest carbon footprint the world has ever seen. Well, that and learning how to clone midgets.

 

[SkullDaddy.45]

I read an article awhile back that compared the carbon footprint of a Tesla to a Rav4. The carbon footprint of the Tesla is way higher. But as the miles pile on, the EV's catch up. At just over 20K miles is where it breaks even when you consider the carbon foot print of both, in manufacturing and driving. It's total carbon footprint that matters in the end, that is if you care at all about that sort of thing.

On average, the carbon footprint of generating the electricity it takes to charge the Tesla is 34% of the carbon footprint of the Rav4 burning gasoline. EV's are much more efficient. An ICE engine converts up to 30% of the energy from gasoline to power at the wheels. An EV converts ~80% of the power from the grid to power at the wheel. I don't think that it's true that a Tesla has a larger carbon footprint at the end of its life.

But, one thing about that, the smug progressive virtue signaling their new Tesla all over town likely STILL contributes more carbon. It's the person who buys that car used who gets to brag about lower carbon footprint. The smug Tesla driver will probably lease it, or trade it in after 3 years, and will never have driven that lower carbon footprint.

The biggest footprint for these EVs come after the life of the battery is used up. Lithium is nothing to laugh at. And as of now they are left to leak into our soil and i hear some are sealing them up in barrels and dropping them into the ocean. It's a ticking time bomb.

 

[Ingomike]

The biggest footprint for these EVs come after the life of the battery is used up. Lithium is nothing to laugh at. And as of now they are left to leak into our soil and i hear some are sealing them up in barrels and dropping them into the ocean. It's a ticking time bomb.

I have read our tax money is being spent on recycling centers, (that us a hot corporate investment area right now) but there are not enough batteries to recycle and many are on the verge of bankruptcy.

 

[wtburnette]

The biggest footprint for these EVs come after the life of the battery is used up. Lithium is nothing to laugh at. And as of now they are left to leak into our soil and i hear some are sealing them up in barrels and dropping them into the ocean. It's a ticking time bomb.

As bad or worse than the supposed horrors of nuclear waste that the environazis used to get us to stop building nuclear plants.

 

[SkullDaddy.45]

I have read our tax money is being spent on recycling centers, (that us a hot corporate investment area right now) but there are not enough batteries to recycle and many are on the verge of bankruptcy.

Everything the government runs goes belly up. Just look at the post office. They'll just keep dumping money on rotting dead corpses in hopes that it revives them.

 

[JCSR]

Somewhat related......

Amazon took all U.S. solar rooftops offline last year after flurry of fires, electrical explosions

While Amazon tries to go green, the company has encountered numerous challenges with solar panels at various warehouses.

www.cnbc.com

 

[Ingomike]

Somewhat related......

Amazon took all U.S. solar rooftops offline last year after flurry of fires, electrical explosions

While Amazon tries to go green, the company has encountered numerous challenges with solar panels at various warehouses.

www.cnbc.com

What was the cause of the big Indy warehouse fire?

 

[rhamersley]

What was the cause of the big Indy warehouse fire?

If you’re talking about the Walmart distribution center fire in Avon/Plainfield, I do not believe that a cause has been announced to the public as of yet…almost 6 months later.