FBI raids Trumps home

[tbhausen]

What is the motive? To provoke him into running or prevent him from running? Will a sham arrest be coming in the next 60 days or so?
If the motive is to provoke, this is just the beginning

I’m provoked… more than ever to never, EVER miss an election or fail to vote straight Republican ticket again.

 

[Ingomike]

Define "national stage" at this point.

DeSantis has been making waves in the right direction for plenty of years.

One plus, he's not a W.E.F. young future totalitarian...

Ron DeSantis - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

On the minus side, he's a Yale and Harvard man...

National stage by my definition is someone that has had all national media, most local media from around the country, the entire nation-wide opposition party, and all their social media foot soldiers, aligned against you all firing at once.

Desantis has not seen this level of fire. He has looked good in a couple of fire fights.

I have hopes for him in the future but want Trump to serve a lame duck term first…

 

[Route 45]

Congress cannot pass a law that supersedes the constitution…

Oh, thank heavens. For a minute there, I was afraid that I was going to have to turn in my AR-47.

 

[Ingomike]

These things are connected.

Agreed, the dems have used debt to further their destruction of the constitution but saving the constitution is the priority. Without that I could not care less what the debt is…

 

[HoughMade]

14 Things The FBI Found In Donald Trump's Safe

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babylonbee.com

 

[Route 45]

Whether Trump can be prevented from running for President after a criminal conviction (which looks like what they are trying to do) is not so cut and dry. The Constitution sets the requirements for the office of President, but not a whole lot is said about disqualifiers other than impeachment and conviction, or the disqualifier of insurrection/rebellion under the Fourteenth Amendment.

It's uncharted territory, so whatever opinion one may have of federal law and constitutional requirements or disqualifers for the office, it would ultimately be up the Superme Court to decide.

§2071. Concealment, removal, or mutilation generally​

(a) Whoever willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, or destroys, or attempts to do so, or, with intent to do so takes and carries away any record, proceeding, map, book, paper, document, or other thing, filed or deposited with any clerk or officer of any court of the United States, or in any public office, or with any judicial or public officer of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

(b) Whoever, having the custody of any such record, proceeding, map, book, document, paper, or other thing, willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, falsifies, or destroys the same, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both; and shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States. As used in this subsection, the term "office" does not include the office held by any person as a retired officer of the Armed Forces of the United States.

(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 795; Pub. L. 101–510, div. A, title V, §552(a), Nov. 5, 1990, 104 Stat. 1566; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, §330016(1)(I), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

 

[BugI02]

I have to wonder if both Cheney's are just the ex[sup]pository end of Bush money these days.

Fixy

 

[Keith_Indy]

National stage by my definition is someone that has had all national media, most local media from around the country, the entire nation-wide opposition party, and all their social media foot soldiers, aligned against you all firing at once.

Desantis has not seen this level of fire. He has looked good in a couple of fire fights.

I have hopes for him in the future but want Trump to serve a lame duck term first…

He has seen quite a bit of national fire over at least the following:

Florida Parental Rights in Education Act, aka "Don't Say Gay" bill
Fighting Disney
Suspending that Tampa D.A.
Fighting against big tech
COVID response
Press fights with Gov. Newsom

He can handle himself well, he seems to hire competent people around him. He certainly has the executive experience to run the Federal government.

I don't know if there are better choices out there, but I'd certainly vote for him over anyone the Democrats threw on stage.

 

[Ingomike]

Whether Trump can be prevented from running for President after a criminal conviction (which looks like what they are trying to do) is not so cut and dry. The Constitution sets the requirements for the office of President, but not a whole lot is said about disqualifiers other than impeachment and conviction, or the disqualifier of insurrection/rebellion under the Fourteenth Amendment.

It's uncharted territory, so whatever opinion one may have of federal law and constitutional requirements or disqualifers for the office, it would ultimately be up the Superme Court to decide.

§2071. Concealment, removal, or mutilation generally​

(a) Whoever willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, or destroys, or attempts to do so, or, with intent to do so takes and carries away any record, proceeding, map, book, paper, document, or other thing, filed or deposited with any clerk or officer of any court of the United States, or in any public office, or with any judicial or public officer of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

(b) Whoever, having the custody of any such record, proceeding, map, book, document, paper, or other thing, willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, falsifies, or destroys the same, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both; and shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States. As used in this subsection, the term "office" does not include the office held by any person as a retired officer of the Armed Forces of the United States.

(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 795; Pub. L. 101–510, div. A, title V, §552(a), Nov. 5, 1990, 104 Stat. 1566; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, §330016(1)(I), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

Clearly does not apply constitutionally for President…

 

[Keith_Indy]

Whether Trump can be prevented from running for President after a criminal conviction (which looks like what they are trying to do) is not so cut and dry. The Constitution sets the requirements for the office of President, but not a whole lot is said about disqualifiers other than impeachment and conviction, or the disqualifier of insurrection/rebellion under the Fourteenth Amendment.

It's uncharted territory, so whatever opinion one may have of federal law and constitutional requirements or disqualifers for the office, it would ultimately be up the Superme Court to decide.

It will probably be up to the Supreme Court to decide, there's arguments against the President being covered though...

Is the President an “officer of the United States” for purposes of Section 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment?

Update: In December 2021, Seth and I published an article in the NYU Journal of Law & Liberty, based on...

reason.com

 

[BugI02]

Define "national stage" at this point.

DeSantis has been making waves in the right direction for plenty of years.

One plus, he's not a W.E.F. young future totalitarian...

Ron DeSantis - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

On the minus side, he's a Yale and Harvard man... [and he happily accepted the endorsement of the Club for Growth both as a representative in the house as well as a candidate for governor]

And as far as foreign policy chops, his position on Ukraine is that it wouldn't have happened if Trump was still president

Ron DeSantis finally speaks of Ukraine attack, blaming Joe Biden

'When Trump was President, they didn't take anything.'

floridapolitics.com

“When Obama was President, Putin took Crimea. When Trump was President, they didn’t take anything. And now Biden’s President and they’re rolling into Ukraine,” DeSantis said.

 

[manifest destiny]

Are my expectations too high to think the DOJ might want to make a statement? Any statement? What was the DOJ statement the last time they raided a president's home?

 

[Ingomike]

What was the DOJ statement the last time they raided a president's home?

I assume that was meant to be purple?

 

[Route 45]

Clearly does not apply constitutionally for President…

As clear as "shall not be infringed?"

 

[KG1]

This move by the DOJ and the FBI increases the likelihood that they are going to try and indict Trump. It's such an extreme unprecedented move on their part to not try to follow through and do so. They have pretty much jumped in with both feet now.

 

[manifest destiny]

I assume that was meant to be purple?

Yes. Unless there is actually another president that was raided that I'm unaware of. As to the statement, or lack of, from the DOJ, would it ever be too soon to make one in this instance? Even a 'yes it happened, we ain't talkin' statement would be better than no statement. I dunno, maybe that haven't completed their frame job yet.

 

[manifest destiny]

This move by the DOJ and the FBI increases the likelihood that they are going to try and indict Trump.

Sadly I agree. Even if the case is worthless it move slow, provide headlines, blue states will move to remove him from the ticket due to 'under investigation'. I don't think this has anything to do with right, wrong or criminal. It's a narrative driver from now until 2024. The same song is playing but the volume is going up to 11.

 

[duanewade]

The raid on Trump's home may be the perfect diversion for the current regime/administration to slide some law or EO into being that could solidify or strengthen the swamp rats grip on power.

 

[Ingomike]

Sadly I agree. Even if the case is worthless it move slow, provide headlines, blue states will move to remove him from the ticket due to 'under investigation'. I don't think this has anything to do with right, wrong or criminal. It's a narrative driver from now until 2024. The same song is playing but the volume is going up to 11.

Wow! This brings up a constitutional crisis I have not even pondered. So all the blue states Trump has no chance in keep him off the ballot and he is only on ballots in the red states and swing states.

Then if he won those states, the leftists cries will be shrill…

 

[Cameramonkey]

Wow! This brings up a constitutional crisis I have not even pondered. So all the blue states Trump has no chance in keep him off the ballot and he is only on ballots in the red states and swing states.

Then if he won those states, the leftists cries will be shrill…

and that cry will be to cancel the red state wins because of course if he was banned from the blue ones he of COURSE should be banned from ALL!