Russia vs Ukraine anyone watching this ignite?

[BigMoose]

That scares me.. man with nothing to live for...

Anyway, while the Russians are making progress. But its inch by bloody inch.. and it looks like they have given up taking everything, and seem to be risking a lot going direct to Kyiv..

Meanwhile, all manner of western high tech arms are arriving in Ukraine

 

[BigMoose]

 

[BigMoose]

Farmer is at it again.....lol

 

[nra4ever]

Zelensky has fled back to Poland

 

[BigMoose]

Zelensky has fled back to Poland

Wouldn't trust that twitter, its continually posted pro Russian stuff... I wouldn't trust a lot of twitter. Outside the UK MOD posts.

 

[BigMoose]

Belive the twitters or not, its clear Russia has logistics/supply chain issues.. and that Ukrainians are able to simply cart off a lot of abandoned stuff.

Some kind of wheeled Russian mortar...

 

[Wolfhound]

Farmer is at it again.....lol

I personally would have went with the Benny Hill theme.

 

[smokingman]

In short 10k died in 8 years in Donetsk and Luhan,mostly from being shelled.
I posted one article here from Time magazine (posted the day before Putin invaded) that mentioned 1400 shells fell in a single day the very last report of the OSCE before Putin invaded(yes they had observers from 57 countries in Ukraine,including the USA).

In total 14k died in 8 years,of those over 10k were residents of Donetsk and Luhan.

OSCE Special Monitoring Mission to Ukraine (closed)

The SMMwas deployed following a request to the OSCE by Ukraine’s Government and a consensus decision by all 57 OSCE participating States. The SMM was an unarmed, civilian mission, operating on the ground 24/7 Ukraine.

www.osce.org

Yes it is a total pain in the ass to read them,and you will have to click on things like "read all reports" because no matter their mission most of the reports are not easily found now,though they are still there for the time being. You will also notice a huge change in the reports in 2021 it became more about Russia than anything else.

In short Ukraine has been on again off again shelling the **** out of those two cities/areas.In times they where not(there was more than one cease fire) the National police,and a 5000 strong "volunteer" group (also known as brown coats) disappeared,raped over 1400 in those two areas,not to even mention the looting of homes and businesses(per the OSCE by reports they collected). Now if you want to more about the National police of Ukraine it is run by Ihor Klymenko a former Svoboda party member and 100% totally a Nazi. You will find very little information on the National Police after it was founded and took in "militsiya" Nov 7,2015(Nazi's of the Maiden revolution).

Over 200,000 had fled to Russia in the 8 years before Putin arrived,and according to Time magazine both regions where expected to evacuate to Russia(around 300-400k more according to article if memory serves,i did not scroll back in the thread to find it).

What did we do those 8 years? We observed,and armed one side(Russia armed the other). Mind you we voted with the UN for Donetsk and Luhan to be independent states(they were self governing and technically,legally not even part of Ukraines national government).

So either read the reports(while they are still up going back to shortly after maiden,or just accept the spoon feed ******** you are being feed.

I am tired. Honestly I want to ignore all of this. Knowing just how in the wrong we really are and how misleading what we are being told is kind of sucks. I may not post in this thread again.

 

[KittySlayer]

Zelensky has fled back to Poland

Well kind of makes sense to have a leader in a safer position. He has been plenty bold/brave but getting caught/killed by the Russians would be a big Win for them, vs. keeping your leader Zelensky safe to fight another day and lead the country out of its post war mess.

 

[KittySlayer]

PS: Comments are the best part of the article:

Kamala Harris went to Poland. Poland is a country in Europe. It is next to Germany, which is a slightly bigger country. It is also near Lithuania. Lithuania is also a country, but it is a smaller country. All these countries border the Baltic Sea. You could cross the Baltic Sea if you had a boat, but then you would be in a different country.

Probably cut and paste from the briefing they gave Kamala while on the plane so she knew where she was going and could look smart.

 

[singlestacksig]

Well kind of makes sense to have a leader in a safer position. He has been plenty bold/brave but getting caught/killed by the Russians would be a big Win for them, vs. keeping your leader Zelensky safe to fight another day and lead the country out of its post war mess.

VP Harris is going to Poland, I suspect there is a conference about to happen..

 

[KittySlayer]

VP Harris is going to Poland, I suspect there is a conference about to happen..

She should probably request that they put a tablecloth on the table.

 

[KG1]

There are rumors that Putin might be ill and having a weak immune system at the moment because of a possible treatment.
Cancer and chemotherapy comes to mind ...

He apparently very afraid of COVID, or any other disease.
That's a new thing, he wasn't staying that far away from people in the last few months, years.

When the French president Macron came to visit Putin in Moscow, the French president was asked to take a PCR test when he arrived at the Kremlin.

The test needed to be done by a Russian doctor, so Macron refused.
He was tested by his own doctor before leaving Paris, and again when he landed in Moscow before leaving his plane.

Since Macron refused the test he had to stay far away from Putin.

I believe in 2020, 2021, Putin was standing much closer to his guests ... and COVID was already around.

So it could be a new thing.

That would also explain why he's not afraid to start WW2.

True. Maybe he's at a point that he feels he has nothing to lose and it's his idea of going out in a blaze of glory for old Mother Russia or should I say the old Soviet Union.

There is definitely a difference in the way he's been acting. I've seen a number of US officials that have dealt directly with him in the past who have said as much, such as Condi Rice as Sec of State who I believe majored in Russian studies.

 

[Sylvain]

Belive the twitters or not, its clear Russia has logistics/supply chain issues.. and that Ukrainians are able to simply cart off a lot of abandoned stuff.

Some kind of wheeled Russian mortar...

That's a Pantsir missile system, high-tech stuff worth 14 million dollars ... not a simple mortar.
It has a radar on board and can shoot down missiles or drones while moving.

Two 30mm autocanons and 12 missile launchers.

Pantsir missile system - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[1DOWN4UP]

VP Harris is going to Poland, I suspect there is a conference about to happen..

I heard it was a sausage fest

 

[KellyinAvon]

I personally would have went with the Benny Hill theme.

I'll second the Benny Hill theme for that video.

 

[BigMoose]

That's a Pantsir missile system, high-tech stuff worth 14 million dollars ... not a simple mortar.
It has a radar on board and can shoot down missiles or drones while moving.

Two 30mm autocanons and 12 missile launchers.

Pantsir missile system - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

That yes, but the silly way twitter is, he linked in a second video.. It was a cool Army type motorbike with a sidecar pulling what looked to be a wheeled mortar.

Its the video below the one of the fancy air defense unit.

 

[DadSmith]

That's a Pantsir missile system, high-tech stuff worth 14 million dollars ... not a simple mortar.
It has a radar on board and can shoot down missiles or drones while moving.

Two 30mm autocanons and 12 missile launchers.

Pantsir missile system - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Dollars or Rubles?

14 million Rubles is only $137,000

 

[BigMoose]

Zelensky has fled back to Poland

Okay non biased Media says he is there for talks.. With the VP in town.

I suspect he will return.

 

[BigMoose]

That yes, but the silly way twitter is, he linked in a second video.. It was a cool Army type motorbike with a sidecar pulling what looked to be a wheeled mortar.

Its the video below the one of the fancy air defense unit.

I found a video direct link.