Thanks again.This bait-and-switch is why we should be disappointed in the legislative process. I guess we're an inch closer, for all that's worth.
I'm out for the night. Have a good night, all.
Thanks again.This bait-and-switch is why we should be disappointed in the legislative process. I guess we're an inch closer, for all that's worth.
I'm out for the night. Have a good night, all.
I see this differently than you guys seem to. The committee as a whole did vote unanimously to pass it, yes.
Many said "to keep it alive"... Which means yes, it CAN be amended on the Senate floor or in conference committee. Had they voted to kill it, it would have been
"REPUBLICANS KILL PERMITLESS CARRY IN INDIANA"
So now it can be fixed on Second Reading, though I see Bray assigning Randolph and Brown from the Senate. I don't know who chairs a conference committee... my guess without researching is the member of the party in control of the house where it originates, which could well be Smaltz or Lucas, in which case the bill as we want it can go to Holcomb's desk and he can be presented with the choice of pass it/ignore it (which is the same thing in effect, no matter what it means to us re: a failure to sign being a tacit "no", even though it's not a veto. At the very worst, Smaltz controls his bill. He has the ability to withdraw it from consideration, which leaves us with the law as we have it now.
The result is still "Republicans kill Constitutional Carry in Indiana"; Someone please tell me that Roddy Bray will be primaried. More importantly, we need a Governor on OUR side, someone who tells the two Houses of our General Assembly, "Send me a bill I can be proud to sign."
Blessings,
Bill
+1 for the use of the word "skullduggery"HB 1077 passed out of the judiciary committee 11-0 after it was amended to include the provisional license. Complete and utterly devious conduct. Skulduggery.
The Dems and Brown (but I repeat myself) are playing chess. They're hoping that there isn't the political will in the chamber to remove that language and return it to the original bill. The only way they lose that bet is when the rest of the Senate sees it and says "ummmm, no." and votes to fix it. They're betting that of the 50 senators, Sen. Tomes can't get 26 to remove the Carter amendment.If the Senate can “un-amend” HB-1077, what was the point of amending it? It can’t be that simple. The Democrats and RINOs were gloating far too much to allow me believe that’s possible (unless they were really, really happy to be able to go home).
Bill as always thank you for your insight and your logic. I'm a little short on both at the moment. Glad you're here to provide a "we are here" point on a messy map.I see this differently than you guys seem to. The committee as a whole did vote unanimously to pass it, yes.
Many said "to keep it alive"... Which means yes, it CAN be amended on the Senate floor or in conference committee. Had they voted to kill it, it would have been
"REPUBLICANS KILL PERMITLESS CARRY IN INDIANA"
So now it can be fixed on Second Reading, though I see Bray assigning Randolph and Brown from the Senate. I don't know who chairs a conference committee... my guess without researching is the member of the party in control of the house where it originates, which could well be Smaltz or Lucas, in which case the bill as we want it can go to Holcomb's desk and he can be presented with the choice of pass it/ignore it (which is the same thing in effect, no matter what it means to us re: a failure to sign being a tacit "no", even though it's not a veto. At the very worst, Smaltz controls his bill. He has the ability to withdraw it from consideration, which leaves us with the law as we have it now.
The result is still "Republicans kill Constitutional Carry in Indiana"; Someone please tell me that Roddy Bray will be primaried. More importantly, we need a Governor on OUR side, someone who tells the two Houses of our General Assembly, "Send me a bill I can be proud to sign."
Blessings,
Bill
There's a snake in the garden.Snakes in the grass, lying in wait the whole time. All pre-planned.
FIFY.There's a many snakes in the garden.
Great first post! And Welcome to INGO and Indiana!New user here.
Based on my reading of the legislature bill process, Bill of Rights is absolutely correct. An opportunity for further amendment and restoration of the original bill language may be added once again. There is still hope.
I was born and raised in California. Spent more than 30 years there. Moved here to Indiana in 2020 and in terms of gun rights this place is like paradise to me.
Keep fighting for what you want. Constitutional carry, etc.
But be thankful for what we have already. There is definitely still hope.
Welcome to Indiana and INGO Tyler! Now that's how you do a first post!New user here.
Based on my reading of the legislature bill process, Bill of Rights is absolutely correct. An opportunity for further amendment and restoration of the original bill language may be added once again. There is still hope.
I was born and raised in California. Spent more than 30 years there. Moved here to Indiana in 2020 and in terms of gun rights this place is like paradise to me.
Keep fighting for what you want. Constitutional carry, etc.
But be thankful for what we have already. There is definitely still hope.