COVID OMICRON Thread

[Alpo]

So no one should go see Granny since anyone, regardless of their vaccination status, can transmit it to Granny.

Granny might be satisfied if you get tested, although testing isn't foolproof.

 

[Ingomike]

Granny might be satisfied if you get tested, although testing isn't foolproof.

We have been lied to..............

CDC Withdraws Use of PCR Test for COVID, Says Test Can Not Differentiate Between the Flu and COVID Virus​

CDC Withdraws Use of PCR Test for COVID, Says Test Can Not Differentiate Between the Flu and COVID Virus – [your]NEWS

Via the CDC website: After December 31, 2021, CDC will withdraw the request to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for Emergency Use Authorization

yournews.com

Nope…

 

[phylodog]

Granny might be satisfied if you get tested, although testing isn't foolproof.

And the vaccine is worthless to anyone but the recipient.

 

[Alpo]

? non sequitur ?

 

[phylodog]

? non sequitur ?

If I'm wrong please explain how. No one else seems to be able to.

 

[Rookie]

Granny doesn't care whether you get vaccinated, wear a mask or father offspring with Brazilians.

You're the one that brought granny into this. Since you changed the narrative, I'll simplify...

ANYONE...

 

[MCgrease08]

The comment I responded to was "testing people with no symptoms needs to stop". As is the case with almost all INGO threads, it spiraled rapidly down from there.

Elderly people are the most at risk from Covid. Even though the death rates are low, an elderly person has a 3 to 5 times higher chance of a negative outcome than most of you. Why do you suppose it is your "right" to attend an event with Granny and infect her?

Who is claiming they have a right to attend an event against Granny's wishes? If Granny doesn't want to risk being exposed to an asymptomatic carrier, than Granny can isolate at home. The only people I can recall putting elderly people at risk by forcing them to be around COVID patients are Andrew Cuomo and Gretchen Whitmer.

If Granny wants to move about the general public, than it's up to her to make that risk assessment. Now if we're talking about long term care facilities, then sure, some level of testing should probably be a part of the overall mitigation strategy. But the idea of forcing asymptomatic students to show proof of a negative test to go to school is idiotic. Making healthy people show proof of a negative test to go to work, or a concert, or a cruise is idiotic.

 

[phylodog]

Scientists: Fully vaccinated carry 251 times the Covid viral load as unvaccinated

By World Tribune on August 26, 2021 by WorldTribune Staff, August 26, 2021 Scientists have discovered that fully vaccinated individuals carry 251 times the viral load of Co…

peckford42.wordpress.com

"Vaccinated individuals are blasting out concentrated viral explosions into their communities and fueling new Covid surges."

I'm sure the vaccinated will have no objections heading off to quarantine camps since they were in favor of them for the unvaccinated before. Surely they won't be hypocrites and protest?

 

[bobzilla]

No, it's for Grandma. You wanna kill Granny?

My last grandparent died in 2006.

 

[Alpo]

Who is claiming they have a right to attend an event against Granny's wishes? If Granny doesn't want to risk being exposed to an asymptomatic carrier, than Granny can isolate at home. The only people I can recall putting elderly people at risk by forcing them to be around COVID patients are Andrew Cuomo and Gretchen Whitmer.

If Granny wants to move about the general public, than it's up to her to make that risk assessment. Now if we're talking about long term care facilities, then sure, some level of testing should probably be a part of the overall mitigation strategy. But the idea of forcing asymptomatic students to show proof of a negative test to go to school is idiotic. Making healthy people show proof of a negative test to go to work, or a concert, or a cruise is idiotic.

I agree, for the most part.

Again, I go back to the original premise that started this part of the spiral: testing of individuals without symptoms is useless.

I disagree in much the same manner as you, methinks.

 

[Jaybird1980]

I agree, for the most part.

Again, I go back to the original premise that started this part of the spiral: testing of individuals without symptoms is useless.

I disagree in much the same manner as you, methinks.

I still stand by that statement.

Testing doesn't tell you if you're sick, or contagious so why waste time and money doing it.

Symptoms on the other hand are an indication of both, which is why we were always taught to stay home if you're sick.

And as a immunocompromised person, i understand that I am the only one who can protect myself. If I decide to go somewhere or invite someone to my home, I fully understand and accept those risks

 

[jsharmon7]

I agree, for the most part.

Again, I go back to the original premise that started this part of the spiral: testing of individuals without symptoms is useless.

I disagree in much the same manner as you, methinks.

Agreed. Testing people for communicable diseases, even without symptoms, isn’t new. Testing people for communicable diseases specifically to protect others isn’t new. The AIDS epidemic wasn’t that long ago, and that’s exactly what happened. If you were potentially exposed to someone who had it, you were encouraged to get tested so you didn’t spread it unknowingly.

 

[jsharmon7]

In my neck of the woods:

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The vaccination rate for Vanderburgh County is at 54% from what I could find. If the vaccine didn’t reduce severity of Covid, we should expect to see those numbers above at about 50/50. Seems like at least some evidence that it is effective in that regard. Or, unvaccinated people just tend to be unhealthier? I still think that makes it a personal decision, but one some groups should consider.

 

[Jaybird1980]

Agreed. Testing people for communicable diseases, even without symptoms, isn’t new. Testing people for communicable diseases specifically to protect others isn’t new. The AIDS epidemic wasn’t that long ago, and that’s exactly what happened. If you were potentially exposed to someone who had it, you were encouraged to get tested so you didn’t spread it unknowingly.

I have actually thought about this as well. My issue is there is not a 95%+ chance that Aids resolves itself. My other issue is the way you test for Aids vs the way you test for Covid.

 

[Jaybird1980]

I actually wouldn't mind hearing @hoosierdoc opinion on testing people for Covid with no symptoms.

 

[jsharmon7]

I have actually thought about this as well. My issue is there is not a 95%+ chance that Aids resolves itself. My other issue is the way you test for Aids vs the way you test for Covid.

My post was in response to the comment that has been repeatedly made that this is all completely new. We’ve done this for 30 years and still today was my point. Maybe it’s unnecessary for this virus, but it’s certainly not new.

 

[Jaybird1980]

My post was in response to the comment that has been repeatedly made that this is all completely new. We’ve done this for 30 years and still today was my point. Maybe it’s unnecessary for this virus, but it’s certainly not new.

Ok, I understand that.

And if the testing was more reliable and gave you more usable info then I may feel different.

 

[paintman]

Day 3 I’m doing ok. Tired of the cough that’s for sure. The congestion isn’t bad but super annoying. It’s almost like when you’ve had a horrible cold and everything is drying up. It hurts and kind of burns but not much actual drainage.
I worked out in the garage for a while today and my 11 year old and I road our bikes about a mile total to go feed some cows apples we were throwing out. Not 100% sure that was the best idea I’ve ever had lol.

My wife is doing really well. No cough or congestion. Just very tired and no taste.

 

[SheepDog4Life]

The vaccination rate for Vanderburgh County is at 54% from what I could find. If the vaccine didn’t reduce severity of Covid, we should expect to see those numbers above at about 50/50. Seems like at least some evidence that it is effective in that regard. Or, unvaccinated people just tend to be unhealthier?

Yes, and that's 54% of the total population... including children who cannot get vaccinated and the teens/twenty somethings who, like the younger children, have nearly zero risk of severe disease from the current incarnations of COVID.

So the fully vaccinated rate of the more susceptible population ages 40/50/60/70+ is quite a bit higher than the 54% overall.

Daughter and niece are both COVID ICU nurses in big cities... the only time they see a patient who was vaccinated is if they were already severely immunocompromised... otherwise, all unvaccinated patients in the ICUs and on vents.

The benefit side of the equations for vaccines is clear... they work, prevent severe disease and death.

I still think that makes it a personal decision, but one some groups should consider.

I agree... above is the benefit side of the equation, the vaccines work, the other side is the risk side (and beliefs, etc).

It is an individual choice and I'm anti-mandate.

However, I do think we could reach a point where hospitals in some locations will not be willing, again, to fill-up and dedicate all staff to COVID while other people with other medical emergencies die from lack of care and access to hospitals/doctors/nurses.

 

[jsharmon7]

Yes, and that's 54% of the total population... including children who cannot get vaccinated and the teens/twenty somethings who, like the younger children, have nearly zero risk of severe disease from the current incarnations of COVID.

So the fully vaccinated rate of the more susceptible population ages 40/50/60/70+ is quite a bit higher than the 54% overall.

Daughter and niece are both COVID ICU nurses in big cities... the only time they see a patient who was vaccinated is if they were already severely immunocompromised... otherwise, all unvaccinated patients in the ICUs and on vents.

The benefit side of the equations for vaccines is clear... they work, prevent severe disease and death.


I agree... above is the benefit side of the equation, the vaccines work, the other side is the risk side (and beliefs, etc).

It is an individual choice and I'm anti-mandate.

However, I do think we could reach a point where hospitals in some locations will not be willing, again, to fill-up and dedicate all staff to COVID while other people with other medical emergencies die from lack of care and access to hospitals/doctors/nurses.

I’m against the mandates because I think it’s wrong to force on people. I also don’t think the vaccines prevent transmission, so there’s no “greater good” argument to make. You do make a good point about taking beds from other non-Covid patients. I’d be interested to know how common it has been for your daughter and niece to see that happen. Have they seen non-Covid patients die because resources were taken by Covid patients? I’d just be curious to know the frequency of that.