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City to install cameras that record license plate numbers
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While I can appreciate your position, and not that it matters what I think.
I am not of the opinion LPR’s take away liberty from law abiding citizens. With most things there are trade offs, and a LPR prevents a rape of another child, armed robbery I am fine with LPR’s retaining plate data for 90 days. Your mileage may vary.
manifest destiny
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Did google record me dropping off my child at school? Local police have. Maybe they were looking for someone specific. It wasn't me. Why was I recorded? Why is the leo sitting in the car with windows tinted darker than I'm allowed to have tinted recording me? What if that leo is replaced with a steel pole and LPR? What if every corner navigated by autos were to have a pole with LPR? What if there were an LPR on you bedroom ceiling? Where is that ubiquitous 14yo ??? Also Can google stop, detain and arrest me? phuukk google. And the same to you. Fight the power or fight for the power. Your choice.
manifest destiny
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Undeniable. Yet still no proof that it's better that way. Power to the powerful! Forget or encamp the rest of us.
Agree, if we all held the same opinions and beliefs, I suspect it would be a pretty boring place around here. And the forum would be absent some interesting discussions.
Back to the countermeasures.
If LEO's (and I assume vehicle mounted plate scanners?) can see your plate from eye view angles, how would these blockers be in a position to get discovered? Also, what would be the fine or penalty if discovered?
If LEO's (and I assume vehicle mounted plate scanners?) can see your plate from eye view angles, how would these blockers be in a position to get discovered? Also, what would be the fine or penalty if discovered?
Well since I do not work for Google I have no first hand knowledge with regards to their activity or business practices.
I unlike yourself I simply asked for clarification with regards to your statement, Absent any inquires with regard to your occupation or insults.
In response I will ask why does profiling work?
So if an officer has tinted windows that’s an issue for you?
is it also an issue that patrol cars are capable of making it very difficult for individuals to see into the patrol car at night, by virtue application of appropriate lights to aid in officer safety?
Is that 14 girl not entitled to her privacy? someone of your intellectual capacity should have been able to deduce the state where it arose.
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manifest destiny
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Interesting book I once read based on the premise that where you were when is what you are now.
We all have different life experiences some of us and I believe yourself to be included are capable having an intelligent exchange of ideas absent attacks and go Brandon like statements.
Understanding you and I both have different life experiences and viewpoints. One thing I can tell you is dealing with people at their darkest worst moments is no fun.
As an aside perhaps if Maifest destiny elects to stick around long enough perhaps he could learn to have a civil exchange with someone based on your responses.
I will help you with the hard parts, your statement…where is that 14 year old.
Timjoebillybob
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For about 10 yrs now a warrant is required to attach a GPS to a vehicle anywhere in the US. SCOTUS said it's a search and requires a warrant. And some people wonder why some say never ask the police about the law.
Just joking, I'd listen to you in regards to your niche in LE and to Frank's in his and if I had a question regarding traffic infractions I'd ask a trooper. Just like a lot of professions you know your specialty the best with maybe a passing knowledge of the rest.
BehindBlueI's
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For about 10 yrs now a warrant is required to attach a GPS to a vehicle anywhere in the US. SCOTUS said it's a search and requires a warrant. And some people wonder why some say never ask the police about the law.
It's cute you think a trooper knows more about traffic law than Frank or I. I'm pretty solid on Indiana law and federal law as it applies to us, but I was pretty up front I didn't know the current status of KY. I haven't cared for about 18 years now. Where you are absolutely correct is much of the federal law, pretty much any excise law, and those sorts of specialties. I was a cop for about 3-4 years before I learned running a still was illegal...
BehindBlueI's
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The plate cover ones are pretty obvious is you are one lane over. It's kind of like sliding a magnifying glass around on a page, where you see the warpage at the edges.
The relevant IC code reads:
I don't think it'd be tough to convince the judge that something that obscures the plate at a slight angle violates that. The tinted covers that make them harder to read in the dark are illegal under the above, so there is precedent that it must be legible under all common operating conditions. It's one of those things that's generally not an issue until it's an issue, though.
The lighting ones that supposedly cause the blank area on "film" but aren't seen by the human eye, that would be a tougher one I think, but I'm unfamiliar with anyone writing the ticket or if they even work.
BehindBlueI's
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Nobody looks at every plate in the area, that'd be a waste of time and resources. Surveillance in public places does not require a warrant and never has. The 4th amendment reads "persons, houses, papers, and effects" and protects them against searches and seizures. Simply seeing someone in public is neither a search nor a seizure nor is the roadway your person, house, paper, or effect.
The information comes from the BMV and various open source information. Remember when I said repo men seem to be on the cutting edge of this stuff?
BehindBlueI's
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Functionally, the LRPs don't follow everyone all the time either. LPRs don't follow you around. They are the electronic equivalent of writing down license plates at a given intersection. We've had them in Indy for awhile now, what abuses have their been or even could be? There's no mass plotting of where you've been and what you did. There's a database where I can ask "what plates have been in all of X areas and Y times", auto alerts when stolen vehicles pass by, etc. Nobody cares enough about you to randomly query you or me. If you go silver alert, they will query you.
I didn't mind wearing a BWC, although I thought the expense of compliance and storage may be better used elsewhere. I also understand the concern from the general citizenry about recording inside their home, and if that then becomes public record. One of the nice things about BWC was the number of false complaints when way down. As a field sergeant, I got a lot of recanting about foul language, abusive behavior, etc. as soon as I mentioned the officer was wearing a BWC.
It's cute you think a trooper knows more about traffic law than Frank or I. I'm pretty solid on Indiana law and federal law as it applies to us, but I was pretty up front I didn't know the current status of KY. I haven't cared for about 18 years now. Where you are absolutely correct is much of the federal law, pretty much any excise law, and those sorts of specialties. I was a cop for about 3-4 years before I learned running a still was illegal...
Dang revenooers!
Ford Truck
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Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean someone isn't after you.
