If you’ve chosen not to take a Covid vaccine for whatever reason(s), it may be wise to reassess occasionally.

[jamil]

The J&J vaccine has been linked to Gillian-Barre' syndrome, and the FDA released an updated warning on Dec 15 that warns of the risk of thrombosis (blood clots) related to the J&J vaccine. That is why many health departments are dropping it as an option. It's not bureaucratic red tape. It actually has a higher rate of deadly side effects. Even though the FDA told us for over a year that it was perfectly safe.

What the **** is wrong with the FDA?

FDA: “The J&J vaccine is perfectly safe.”

FDA: “Don’t take the J&J, because it might kill you.”

FDA: “ but the J&J shot is perfectly safe.”

And people wonder why so many people don’t trust the government.

 

[Robert Richardson]

You guys do what you want. If the manufacturer won't release information on the test they did on it, must be something that they don't want you to know. No one is going to talk me into putting that **** in my body.

 

[jamil]

This guy is claiming that 85% of the 800K deaths were preventable, if our “leadership” would have acted correctly. That’s a bold claim, but he lays out a path for it.

I seriously doubt there were 800K deaths FROM covid. WITH covid, sure. Of those 800K I have no idea how many were FROM. But when the medical industrial complex systemically squashes the idea of treating covid, yes, I think if we took a saner but less profitable approach to covid I do think many deaths could have been prevented.

 

[ditcherman]

I seriously doubt there were 800K deaths FROM covid. WITH covid, sure. Of those 800K I have no idea how many were FROM. But when the medical industrial complex systemically squashes the idea of treating covid, yes, I think if we took a saner but less profitable approach to covid I do think many deaths could have been prevented.

He, nor I, would disagree with you on any of this.

 

[Ziggidy]

Why are they emphasizing the bad side effects of the JJ shot while minimizing the side effects of the other 2? JJ is the only one that is not mRNA. WHat is it about the mRNA that they are pushing so much?


It appears that ANY non-mRNA drug is being called bad, not useful, dangerous.

Why?

 

[DragonGunner]

The more I learn the more I won't take the jab, and I'm 60. The fact Trump made it so no Americans can't sue them for damage.....which is why the government is protecting illegals and not mandating it at the border. They not being Americans could sue, gotta protect Big Pharma. And the fact they won't release 300,000 pages of study on the vaccine, what are you hiding? On another note yesterday I googled "how many deaths a year form the Flu". A report in 2018 said 61,000 died.....however there is no clear number as not all data is turned in for deaths by or with flu. Then I read about how the flu does kill, how it attacks the lungs, then the other organs breaking down, to sepsis, to pneumonia........I kept reading and thinking.....isn't this covid? I guess Big Pharma should of wiped google clean. I'm more afraid of Big Pharma than I am of dying from covid. I fully expect in years to come the next China bio weapon will be built to find the covid vaccine properties in people, and the combination of the two meeting in the body will either kill all the old and sterilize all the young.....a Bill Gates dream come true.

 

[Ziggidy]

Let's add the winter Olympics to the equation and rush to vax.

 

[tim87tr]

I seriously doubt there were 800K deaths FROM covid. WITH covid, sure. Of those 800K I have no idea how many were FROM. But when the medical industrial complex systemically squashes the idea of treating covid, yes, I think if we took a saner but less profitable approach to covid I do think many deaths could have been prevented.

After a zillion posts about a virus, many if not most refuse to acknowledge the numbers. Nearly three million in the US die every year and there's 330 million people, so 1.0%. There's just not an appreciable uptick in deaths due to the election flu. 800k over two years, so 400k in a year, allegedly. So that's 0.1% increase, allegedly.

Wow, run for the hills, run for your lives!!

And yes, early treatment with Ivermectin and HcQ would have been great. Frontline doctors are still doing this for people by internet and text.

 

[maxipum]

The J&J vaccine has been linked to Gillian-Barre' syndrome, and the FDA released an updated warning on Dec 15 that warns of the risk of thrombosis (blood clots) related to the J&J vaccine. That is why many health departments are dropping it as an option. It's not bureaucratic red tape. It actually has a higher rate of deadly side effects. Even though the FDA told us for over a year that it was perfectly safe.

Great!!!! Now do the phizer “vaccine”.

 

[Jeepster48439]

It's been on backorder nearly the entire year. The limited supply has nothing to do with the recent happenings. A ton of vaccination sites receive their COVID vaccine from the fed supply, not state. What was the lot # on the one you received if you don't mind? I thought all the circulating J&J had expired.

Lot #211D21A

Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk

ETA: Just checked the CDC database for expiration

LOT #: 211D21A (Multi Dose Vial)​

Lot Expiration Date: April 11, 2022​

 

[tim87tr]

 

[tbhausen]

Another update… I expected to be a bit more encouraged after the last one:

“Just received this on *****.....Hey *****, ***** was moved to Kindred Hospital for long-term treatment. He's still sedated but holding his own. Hopefully, this is the start of recovery.”

So that’s well over a month now… Can someone make a full recovery after going through something like this? The fact of the matter is, this **** is still dangerous, still no joke, and none of us has any idea how it could affect us or our children any more than we have any idea how any of the vaccines could. So many people say “it’s just a cold”, etc., but really, is the risk of something bad happening because you caught the virus lesser or greater than the risk of something bad happening because you took a vaccine? Nothing should be mandatory, but it’s a fair question.

 

[Hoosierdood]

Can someone make a full recovery after going through something like this? The fact of the matter is, this **** is still dangerous, still no joke, and none of us has any idea how it could affect us or our children any more than we have any idea how any of the vaccines could. So many people say “it’s just a cold”, etc., but really, is the risk of something bad happening because you caught the virus lesser or greater than the risk of something bad happening because you took a vaccine? Nothing should be mandatory, but it’s a fair question.

It's a fair question. I'm afraid that the answer is dependent on the individual. Just like the virus affects everyone differently, the recovery process can be different in each case. Once someone gets as critical as your friend did, I feel like it will be a very long process. It's why I tell everyone I can not to let it get bad before seeking treatment. This virus is so much different than anything that we have seen in our lifetime. The normal "chill out at home and let it run its course" that we are accustomed to doesn't always work with Covid.

As to the long term effects... we just don't have enough data, with the virus OR the vaccine. It's one reason that I personally am reluctant to get the vaccine. I've had Covid. Can't change that. I may find that there are long term effects that show up years down the road. There may be long term effects from the vaccine. It all comes down to this... We just don't know.

 

[tbhausen]

After the last report, I figured this one would be better.

 

[Hoosierdood]

To follow up on my previous post, this whole thing just pisses me off.

I'm pissed off that this virus was ever created in a lab. What was the reason? Who the hell thought it was a good idea to use gain of function to alter a virus in this way?
I'm pissed that it was leaked, and now the entire world has to deal with this **** show.
I'm pissed that so many people have died and/or had their lives changed from this fiasco. Families either are not getting together for the holidays, or are missing family members who have passed away.
I'm pissed that my daughter couldn't have her high school graduation. I'm pissed that our children have been robbed of the opportunity to grow up doing normal stuff that kids are supposed to be doing at this stage of development.
I'm pissed that businesses have closed their doors, and that so many have lost their jobs due to this damn virus.
I'm pissed that the freedom of choice, the freedom to live my life as I wish, is being taken from us.
I'm pissed about the lies, the cover-ups, and the intentional misleading of the people by bureaucracies and media.

But most of all I'm pissed that there is so much anger and hatred from all sides, pitting friend against friend, and family member against family member. The death, the lost jobs, the eroding freedom, will never compare to the relationships that have been destroyed due to this virus.

I could go on, but I will end my rant here. I need a drink.
Merry Christmas INGO (even mbills2223)

 

[jsharmon7]

No.
No one said he was bought and paid for, anywhere in here. You jumped to the conclusion that you wanted to see just like you are accusing us of doing.
I’m not arguing that we didn’t do it, it’s human nature, it can’t hardly be helped, but we didn’t jump to the conclusion that we wanted to see nearly to the degree that you want to accuse us of doing, because that makes your argument easier, makes it easier to put what you don’t want to believe in a box, to put us all in a box, nice and neat.

I would like to think I’m similar to you, open to new information, searching, seeking. I think I’ve heard that from you before on here. Well, I found some new info and just because it took me from a more ‘centrist’ or at least ‘not dug in’ position towards one of ‘yes, it’s a scam’ doesn’t make me guilty of participating in an echo chamber.

The only thing assumed was that the pediatrician is just a regular dude, not some superstar with exceptional knowledge knowledge and experience. Everyone’s experience, direct professional or otherwise, is tainted by who they are surrounded by and the info they choose to absorb. So there’s a reason to disbelieve someone you might otherwise trust. And new study? Wow, those are great, yea.

Of course he could have ulterior motives. I’m sure every single person here that you are accusing of being sheep deeply considered this while listening to him.

Anyway, the podcast is only three hours long. Quicker to listen to it than to argue about it.

Post #624 mentions the likelihood cbhausen’s pediatrician sold his practice to a conglomerate, or works for one. I took that to be implying he’s doing what they tell him because he sold his practice to them and works for them now. If that’s not what IM meant then I’ll listen to any clarification he cares to offer.

You mention being open to new information but then scoff at the idea of new studies. So what new information would you be open to hearing? If there was a new study that confirmed every single belief you hold about Covid and vaccines, would you accept it as valid?

The bottom line is I called it as it was presented. Someone said to listen to the guy on Rogan without knowing a single thing about cbhausen’s doctor. I simply asked why any reasonable person would ignore their trusted pediatrician because a guest on a celebrity podcast said otherwise. Several others then seemed to agree with that person’s suggestion by telling me to check McCullough’s credentials. I did, and it seemed he was a cardiologist. He has no background in virology or treating Covid patients. Why do I think he has any more expertise than cbhausen’s guy, especially when I don’t even know who he is? The bottom line is that it’s ONLY because he says things you want to believe. I’m not saying that’s not a natural human thing to do, but it’s exactly why I think it’s absurd to ignore your actual doctor.

 

[JCSR]

How about a beer ?

 

[Ingomike]

the likelihood cbhausen’s pediatrician sold his practice to a conglomerate, or works for one. I took that to be implying he’s doing what they tell him because he sold his practice to them and works for them now. If that’s not what IM meant then I’ll listen to any clarification he cares to offer.

That is what has been happening in the med business before wuwho flu and is contining, so it sure is not a stretch to expect it. The big med groups tell their doctors what to prescribe based on deals with big pharma. Take blood pressure, there is a flow chat the docs are to follow from their employer and they better have a damn good reason to deviate from the chart.

 

[jsharmon7]

That is what has been happening in the med business before wuwho flu and is contining, so it sure is not a stretch to expect it. The big med groups tell their doctors what to prescribe based on deals with big pharma. Take blood pressure, there is a flow chat the docs are to follow from their employer and they better have a damn good reason to deviate from the chart.

Fair enough. Someone asked where the “bought and paid for” came from, and that’s how I took it. Basically, he works for them and does what they tell him to keep the paychecks coming.

 

[tbhausen]

Me, too. Cancel every damn dime of debt to China and call it even (even though that’s far from “even”).