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  • BugI02

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    I'm legitimately sorry for your brother's condition and can very much empathize with having a poor decision making family member using drugs while declining into a lousy standard of living followed by death. I can pretty much guarantee you wanted to help him, and I can equally guarantee that you never turned him in to the police to be arrested thinking that would be a good way to do it. People try to get their loved ones into rehab, but not into jail. That's probably another clue that deep down everyone recognizes we can't arrest our way into breaking addictions.

    You can't arrest your way out of the drug crisis any more than you can arrest your way out of the mental health crisis. Can you honestly say that treating it like a crime has made our culture better since Nancy Reagan told us all to just say no? If yes, then great, the war on drugs has been a stunning success and let's keep the status quo. If not, maybe it's time to try something else.
    Did you miss the part where I said let people grow their own, but don't allow commercial enterprise

    That's as far as I'm willing to go right now. The time and effort to grow their own would allow those who want to try it for pain relief or nausea relief or some of its other claimed benefits to do so but make it more difficult to have the quantities necessary to be stoned 24/7 as well as solve a potential problem of vastly increased potency. after all, I've been assured that there is no tolerance effect (that would imply addiction would exist) so hyper-potency would not seem necessary even if all they want to do is just get stoned

    Still not seeing even the most cursory attempt to deal with such issues as detection of impairment as part of the necessary infrastructure of 'Legalize It!', either
     

    BugI02

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    Sorry to hear your brothers story. We know that around 10% of humans have addiction issues no matter what everyone else does. It is not practical to criminalize the other 90% because 10% have the issues.
    Your perfunctory nod to the real damage drugs cause, before falling back on a statistical argument is ... noted
     

    BugI02

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    In short, I prefer "the tempestuous sea of liberty".
    I find lines like this are often spoken by 'sailors' who have never left the dock

    I hope you know wherefrom you speak. The Founding Fathers understood that only a moral people could successfully govern themselves, and those who got too far into their cups or any other excess would soon starve. Such moral and physical constraints on proper behavior no longer apply, and liberty is now the kid brother of anarchy
     

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    I've always thought if it were legalized it would be handled like the ATF does with tobacco and alcohol, lots of regulations.
     

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    Did you miss the part where I said let people grow their own, but don't allow commercial enterprise

    That's as far as I'm willing to go right now. The time and effort to grow their own would allow those who want to try it for pain relief or nausea relief or some of its other claimed benefits to do so but make it more difficult to have the quantities necessary to be stoned 24/7 as well as solve a potential problem of vastly increased potency. after all, I've been assured that there is no tolerance effect (that would imply addiction would exist) so hyper-potency would not seem necessary even if all they want to do is just get stoned

    Still not seeing even the most cursory attempt to deal with such issues as detection of impairment as part of the necessary infrastructure of 'Legalize It!', either
    Hey grandma, I'm terribly sorry to hear you're fighting lung cancer and would like to take cannabis in edible form to help you deal with the nausea brought on by radiation and chemo. Best we can do is this packet of cannabis seeds, a flower pot and a bag of potting soil.

    Put on your gardening gloves. Maybe in six months you'll have a viable plant you can harvest some type of bud from. Then you can figure out how to dry it, grind it, roll it and smoke it. Yes. Smoking it is your only option, cause reasons.

    As our clueless leader would say, "C'mon man!"
     

    JettaKnight

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    Theyre scared sh!tless theyre going to be the minority come 2022 elections. God forbid they get support from performance and merit..
    These are Indiana Democrats, they've been a minority for a long, long time.

    Maybe if it's legal then people will stop touting it as some miracle drug that can cure everything.
     

    BugI02

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    Hey grandma, I'm terribly sorry to hear you're fighting lung cancer and would like to take cannabis in edible form to help you deal with the nausea brought on by radiation and chemo. Best we can do is this packet of cannabis seeds, a flower pot and a bag of potting soil.

    Put on your gardening gloves. Maybe in six months you'll have a viable plant you can harvest some type of bud from. Then you can figure out how to dry it, grind it, roll it and smoke it. Yes. Smoking it is your only option, cause reasons.

    As our clueless leader would say, "C'mon man!"
    I was unaware that home grown cannabis could not be eaten. Who knew!

    Next do the 80 year old women of color who don't drive and how we need to distort the entire system of checks and balances placed on voting just to accommodate those very, very few eligible voters so helpless that they can't make arrangements for themselves. It's the same argumentation

    Nothing I propose would prevent grandma's grandson from growing some for her, he just couldn't sell it to grandma or sell it to acquaintances or strangers for profit

    So, is grandma REALLY the problem here, or is there some other agenda
     

    zippy23

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    When will we realize that the Dems won't stop at anything? Just regulate automatic guns.... Now they want everything banned. Legalize pot.... Then it's "the war on drugs failed", legalize the next drug, then the next, then it's legal to have just tiny amounts on you, then more and more.... They never stop. Just get vaxxed..... Then a booster, then another, it will be a mandatory yearly injection of chemicals and then more, the next manufactured virus, the next "crisis". It won't stop.

    I personally don't like pot, and the people I know personally who do it, aren't recreational. It's their way of life. Order door dash, get fat, sit around praising Bernie Sanders and telling others to pay for their school and health care, etc. They are lazy, and cloud their minds. That's my experience. Obviously I can't say that is everyone, but man, even Hollywood portrays it as cool but the people doing it in the movies are bumbs. Lol. Heroine should be illegal. Obviously pot isn't anywhere near that, but it is definitely a slippery slope worth considering, especially medically.
     

    BehindBlueI's

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    Did you miss the part where I said let people grow their own, but don't allow commercial enterprise

    I didn't, actually, or I would have already declared my disdain for any of the half measures (like the medical marijuana cards...) and pointed out that it being illegal commerically is already not working. Carving out an exemption is not going to change that.
     

    Ingomike

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    I didn't, actually, or I would have already declared my disdain for any of the half measures (like the medical marijuana cards...) and pointed out that it being illegal commerically is already not working. Carving out an exemption is not going to change that.

    I read somewhere there is a 17,000% profit on drugs…
     

    KLB

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    When will we realize that the Dems won't stop at anything? Just regulate automatic guns.... Now they want everything banned. Legalize pot.... Then it's "the war on drugs failed", legalize the next drug, then the next, then it's legal to have just tiny amounts on you, then more and more.... They never stop. Just get vaxxed..... Then a booster, then another, it will be a mandatory yearly injection of chemicals and then more, the next manufactured virus, the next "crisis". It won't stop.

    I personally don't like pot, and the people I know personally who do it, aren't recreational. It's their way of life. Order door dash, get fat, sit around praising Bernie Sanders and telling others to pay for their school and health care, etc. They are lazy, and cloud their minds. That's my experience. Obviously I can't say that is everyone, but man, even Hollywood portrays it as cool but the people doing it in the movies are bumbs. Lol. Heroine should be illegal. Obviously pot isn't anywhere near that, but it is definitely a slippery slope worth considering, especially medically.
    The war on drugs has failed. All it has done is erode our freedoms.
     

    zippy23

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    The war on drugs has failed. All it has done is erode our freedoms.

    The war on drugs has failed. All it has done is erode our freedoms.
    If you list how, I may agree with you. If we legalize everything, then a meth lab can be allowed next door to my house. Nope, that can't happen. You want a heroine dealer on your street?? It's proven that drugs equals addicts which equals crime. They steal, assault, murder, destroy property, etc because of the drugs. Drugs ruin communities. That's a fact. Do you want a heroine addict breaking into your car and house to steal your stuff to pawn and get money for their drugs? Nope. They should be removed from society. Now I could agree they should be put in treatment centers for minor offenses, or first time offenses. But let's be honest, they get out and do it all over again. I'm not saying the war on drugs is perfect, but I'll say it worked in removing my neighbor from my neighborhood and terrorizing his wife and kids and walking into people's houses drugged out of his mind. I understand this is in a small scale. The big scale is the border, which we see every democrat open up and let it all in. So I'm reality, the war on drugs isn't being waged but Dems in govt, and then people go and say...."the war on drugs failed". Lol, it's not even being waged.
     

    KLB

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    If you list how, I may agree with you. If we legalize everything, then a meth lab can be allowed next door to my house. Nope, that can't happen. You want a heroine dealer on your street?? It's proven that drugs equals addicts which equals crime. They steal, assault, murder, destroy property, etc because of the drugs. Drugs ruin communities. That's a fact. Do you want a heroine addict breaking into your car and house to steal your stuff to pawn and get money for their drugs? Nope. They should be removed from society. Now I could agree they should be put in treatment centers for minor offenses, or first time offenses. But let's be honest, they get out and do it all over again. I'm not saying the war on drugs is perfect, but I'll say it worked in removing my neighbor from my neighborhood and terrorizing his wife and kids and walking into people's houses drugged out of his mind. I understand this is in a small scale. The big scale is the border, which we see every democrat open up and let it all in. So I'm reality, the war on drugs isn't being waged but Dems in govt, and then people go and say...."the war on drugs failed". Lol, it's not even being waged.
    We spend 10s of billions of dollars every year "fighting" the drug war. Police pull people over on highways all over the country on pretexts just to be able to search their cars for drugs. Our bank accounts are watched for transactions that might be "suspicious", and people have cash taken from them regularly with no proof of wrong doing, simply because everyone knows only a criminal would have any use for cash.

    Where is your "proof" that drugs equals crime? Did drugs equal crime before we outlawed them? Do drugs equal crime in the countries where they are legal? Blaming drugs for the actions of individuals is wrong. If a person commits a crime punish them for that crime. Don't punish them for putting a substance in their bodies that you think is going to make them commit some other crime.
     

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