Mandated vaccines or weekly testing for employers of 100+ people.......

[bobzilla]

I understand.

But Kirk is correct in one respect: There have not been any credible clinical trials for Ivermectin. It might work. It might not. But until a real trial of sufficient size is undertaken, the data is anecdotal and unreliable.

Fine but stop calling it horse dewormer from tractor supply. That’s the trollish behavior

 

[BugI02]

I understand.

But Kirk is correct in one respect: There have not been any credible clinical trials for Ivermectin. It might work. It might not. But until a real trial of sufficient size is undertaken, the data is anecdotal and unreliable.

Maybe that will change soon

Clinical trial testing Ivermectin, two other drugs against COVID open for signups

ShareTweetSharePin0 Shares by: Kristen Cheatam, Nexstar Media Wire Posted: Sep 28, 2021 / 08:21 AM CDT / Updated: Sep 28, 2021 / 08:21 AM CDT SPARTANBURG, S.C. (WSPA) — A new clinical trial that’s aimed at testing the effectiveness of three common drugs against COVID-19 is now open to all U.S...

recentlyheard.com

SPARTANBURG, S.C. (WSPA) — A new clinical trial that’s aimed at testing the effectiveness of three common drugs against COVID-19 is now open to all U.S. residents who have tested positive.

The study, conducted by the Duke Clinical Research Institute, is a nationwide double-blind study expected to enroll nearly 15,000 participants from across the United States and hopes to discover new COVID-19 treatments using already existing drugs.

The nationwide effort is called ACTIV-6 and is testing three drugs:

Fluticasone, also known as Flonase, a corticosteroid often used for asthma or chronic obstructive pulmonary disease that is delivered via inhaler.
Fluvoxamine, an antidepressant in pill form.
Ivermectin, which is used to treat parasitic infections in both humans and livestock.

Now, can someone explain why it is left to a third tier news organization to report on this?

There is no spoon narrative?

 

[tim87tr]

Fine but stop calling it horse dewormer from tractor supply. That’s the trollish behavior

I just spoke to my Dad who had a good story about horse dewormer He took his dog Buster to the vet, young vet said he and receptionist got the Vid, and took the vet form of Ivermectin which worked. My Dad has used it in farming operations. The demonizing of it is somewhat entertaining, a story line where it'll hurt you but the gubmint will help you.

Dr. Pierre Kory had a great 3 hour podcast a couple months on Rogan I hope people have watched. Was depressing how it has been withheld. Worked well in India, Frontline doctors prescribe it, 4 Billion doses, 2015 Nobel prize in Medicine, cured all sorts of viral disease in third world countries, low side effects you could eat it like candy. Much like HcQ for malaria and even virus treatment, it's essentially a miracle drug that there's really no downside to utilize. Last 20 months is the recent pinnacle of disinformation and fear porn. The smart people will know to go after Ivermectin if they need it. Where would we be without all these PCR tests?....Sanity, some.

 

[tim87tr]

Just had to, masks are still part of this medical apartheid deal.

 

[Alpo]

Fine but stop calling it horse dewormer from tractor supply. That’s the trollish behavior

I've never referred to it that way. But I understand you may not be directing the comment at me.

 

[BiscuitsandGravy]

I'll hang with the cartoon girl in the meantime... 'Cannot say her real name... its probably racists'

 

[Alpo]

Maybe that will change soon

A large clinical study by Duke would be great.

 

[jsharmon7]

I don’t see the issue with doctor-prescribed Ivermectin. Maybe it works, and maybe it doesn’t. The only part I disagree with is people saying “so-and-so took it and survived Covid,” which is meant to imply the IM worked. I’ve seen it repeated here on INGO numerous times that this virus has a 99%+ survival rate. As I’ve joked before, if 100 people eat green Skittles everyday and 99 of them survive Covid, because they would have anyway, does that mean it was the Skittles? By the same argument, I understand why doctors are hesitant to be forced to prescribe something they might think is equally silly. The line between your rights as a patient and the doctor’s right not to be forced to do something they think is wrong seems a rather fine one.

If the person is standing on death’s doorstep, I’d give it a shot if I were a doctor. But, I understand both sides of this debate. Maybe a large-scale study showing some sort of benefit might tip the scales toward patient rights.

 

[Tombs]

If the person is standing on death’s doorstep, I’d give it a shot if I were a doctor. But, I understand both sides of this debate. Maybe a large-scale study showing some sort of benefit might tip the scales toward patient rights.

That's what puts ivermectin in a rocky place. It doesn't do much if anything if someone is already on death's door step.

All the evidence I've seen suggests it is best taken before or right when symptoms develop. It reduces the intensity of the illness if used early enough.

 

[jsharmon7]

That's what puts ivermectin in a rocky place. It doesn't do much if anything if someone is already on death's door step.

All the evidence I've seen suggests it is best taken before or right when symptoms develop. It reduces the intensity of the illness if used early enough.

Hopefully a researcher sets up a large, double-blind study to give this to people as soon as they get a positive test. Maybe there will be a difference after two months. I’m all for anything that might help treat it. Until then, I can understand the reluctance.

 

[tim87tr]

Hopefully a researcher sets up a large, double-blind study to give this to people as soon as they get a positive test. Maybe there will be a difference after two months. I’m all for anything that might help treat it. Until then, I can understand the reluctance.

I'm not sure if this is available on anything but Spotify, which is a pay service. From June 22, Dr. Pierre Kory and Bret Weinstein discuss Ivermectin with Joe Rogan. Honestly I had to watch it in segments, I'm sad even writing this. It is a down to earth, calm, methodical discussion about it's use for the Vid. Personally it's heartbreaking that it has been withheld. There's other videos if you search for Dr. Kory.

 

[printcraft]

Just had to, masks are still part of this medical apartheid deal.

LOL

My mask protects me... my mask protects me... my masks protects me.

 

[Ingomike]

LOL

My mask protects me... my mask protects me... my masks protects me.

Repeat after me...

 

[Ingomike]

From a link someone posted today in the too many covid threads, this is just he tip of the iceberg of why I don't trust them.

From NBC news.

"…Chan said there had been trepidation among some scientists about publicly discussing the lab leak hypothesis for fear that their words could be misconstrued or used to bolster racist rhetoric about how the coronavirus emerged. Trump fueled accusations that the Wuhan Institute of Virology, a research lab in the same city where the first Covid-19 cases were reported, was connected to the outbreak, and on numerous occasions called the pathogen the “Wuhan virus” or “kung flu.”

“At the time, it was scarier to be associated with Trump and to become a tool for racists, so people didn’t want to publicly call for an investigation into lab origins,” she said."

John Hawkins puts it more eloquently than I could:

"Know why people don’t trust the media and “the experts” anymore? Because they’re willing to lie, withhold information from the public and twist the facts for purely political reasons.

There’s a great example of it right there in that NBC article where they falsely claim any of those comments was “racist rhetoric.” However, most people have long known that the mainstream media has been corrupted."

"What will be a surprise to a lot of non-conservative people is that science has been corrupted in exactly the same way."

"A scientist who withholds information from the public for political reasons is not a trustworthy scientist."

"What you are seeing here is a great example of the sort of game scientists have been playing with global warming for a long time. It’s also ironic that the same people that will claim conservatives are “anti-science” will simply shrug their shoulders and go on when they hear this sort of thing from a scientist. It’s ironic because almost no one is actually “anti-science,” but an awful lot of people aren’t sure they can trust what scientists say about a wide variety of subjects, including vaccines, because they believe scientists aren’t shooting straight with them for political reasons."

"This is just more confirmation that they’re right to wonder if they can trust what they’re hearing."

Think about that...

 

[Leadeye]

I really have to ask how much better off the country would be as a whole if leadership dropped the vaccine mandate idea and just let people get one if they want one. Get back to solving distribution issues in the economy, the border, the Chinese, etc.

Talking with others today at lunch the subject of people getting fired over Covid shots at a time when workers, skilled or otherwise are in short supply is madness. It was pointed out that we are in a time when Anno Dominae is retiring skilled workers at a high rate. Mass terminations aren't going to get good product out the door regardless of how woke it makes HR look, as if you can add woke to your balance sheet and show it to the bank. Do some major corporations need to crash and burn like Lehman Brothers in 08 to terrorize leadership back to it's senses?

Relative to government contractors, somebody needs to show how an unvaccinated person making uniform clothing, AFVs or other government goods is a threat to national security.

What good is whipping up some modern crusade against unvaccinated people, how does it help? It's like some sort of medieval madness, all that's missing are the inquisitors, the rack, and the stake.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

I really have to ask how much better off the country would be as a whole if leadership dropped the vaccine mandate idea and just let people get one if they want one. Get back to solving distribution issues in the economy, the border, the Chinese, etc.

Talking with others today at lunch the subject of people getting fired over Covid shots at a time when workers, skilled or otherwise are in short supply is madness. It was pointed out that we are in a time when Anno Dominae is retiring skilled workers at a high rate. Mass terminations aren't going to get good product out the door regardless of how woke it makes HR look, as if you can add woke to your balance sheet and show it to the bank. Do some major corporations need to crash and burn like Lehman Brothers in 08 to terrorize leadership back to it's senses?

Relative to government contractors, somebody needs to show how an unvaccinated person making uniform clothing, AFVs or other government goods is a threat to national security.

What good is whipping up some modern crusade against unvaccinated people, how does it help? It's like some sort of medieval madness, all that's missing are the inquisitors, the rack, and the stake.

You assume that the current leadership wants things to improve. My position is that they do not. They want to burn it all to the ground, and the people be damned. They want their socialist utopia no matter what collateral damage is incurred in the process.

 

[Ingomike]

You assume that the current leadership wants things to improve. My position is that they do not. They want to burn it all to the ground, and the people be damned. They want their socialist utopia no matter what collateral damage is incurred in the process.

BINGO!!!

 

[Ingomike]

Mass terminations aren't going to get good product out the door regardless of how woke it makes HR look, as if you can add woke to your balance sheet and show it to the bank.

Sorry, this is wrong. Many banks are looking at social credit scores too, so it takes both or a lender that doesn't care...

 

[Leadeye]

Sorry, this is wrong. Many banks are looking at social credit scores too, so it takes both or a lender that doesn't care...

I'll give you that, there are some stupid banks, but in the end a bank runs on money. The bad mortgage crisis certainly caused some haircuts in the financial sector, no matter how woke it was to lend money to people who weren't going to repay it.

As I said maybe some of these institutions need to die noisily before leadership changes it's mind.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

As I said maybe some of these institutions need to die noisily before leadership changes it's mind.

That's what I've said about the airlines like Southwest. Everyone quickly went nuts when thousands of flights were suddenly canceled or delayed. Make something inconvenient enough and folks start to take notice.