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    qwerty

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    I am hereby exercising my authority under Massachusetts General Laws, Chapter 33, Section 38 to activate Massachusetts National Guard personnel to provide necessary assistance to State and local civilian authorities by supporting COVID-19 testing programs for students attending K-12 schools within the Commonwealth.
    This activation includes up to 200 military personnel of the Massachusetts National Guard and may be increased by further order.
    This activation shall begin on the date above and continue until further order of the Adjutant General.

     

    Alpo

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    Maybe it just proves that women are smarter than your average INGO member. :dunno:
    Never any doubt.


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    Magyars

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    DoggyDaddy

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    Kirk. Smarter than a whole nation!
    Wow, I didn't even know they had TSC and Rural King in Indonesia!
     

    foszoe

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    I am hereby exercising my authority under Massachusetts General Laws, Chapter 33, Section 38 to activate Massachusetts National Guard personnel to provide necessary assistance to State and local civilian authorities by supporting COVID-19 testing programs for students attending K-12 schools within the Commonwealth.
    This activation includes up to 200 military personnel of the Massachusetts National Guard and may be increased by further order.
    This activation shall begin on the date above and continue until further order of the Adjutant General.

    This using the National Guard as a stop gap for everything needs to stop.
     

    foszoe

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    Wow, I didn't even know they had TSC and Rural King in Indonesia!
    Why can't an article just provide the data instead of a sensational headline.

    Foszoe's thought process broken down for all to see.

    Of course first of all, it is GP, and hey, if people get to complain about MSM, especially my beloved WSJ!, I can complain about GP.

    AMAZING: COVID-19 Cases in Indonesia Plummet After Government Authorizes IVERMECTIN For Treatment​

    AN amazing headline, BUT what does authorizing have to do with use? Nothing.
    What does authorizing have to do with cases plummeting? Nothing.

    Authorization was July, ok.

    Where is something along the lines of data where it was actually used? So far nothing.

    The government imposed an emergency measure to slow the spread of the virus. One of its measures was to authorize the use of Ivermectin as a COVID-19 treatment.

    Another great bolded statement, but authorizing and using are still not the same thing.

    GP then quotes another article

    The Indonesian government on Thursday (July 15) began distributing free medicine and vitamins to self-isolating Covid-19 patients in high-risk areas as the highly transmissible Delta variant of the coronavirus continued to rip through the country, emptying pharmacy shelves.

    Each package will have seven days worth of therapeutic Covid-19 drugs and vitamins, and will be given to asymptomatic patients as well as those with mild to moderate symptoms including fever and dry cough. The medication for the latter group will require consultation with a doctor and a prescription.

    Medical facilities are stretched thin, and demand for oxygen and medication has also soared. As scores of people are isolating themselves at home and self-medicating, prices of drugs have shot up in pharmacies and online. The health ministry has since moved to cap the prices of drugs such as favipiravir, remdesivir and ivermectin.

    Indonesia’s food and drug agency has authorised ivermectin for emergency use against Covid-19, Reuters reported, although the World Health Organisation, as well as European and the US regulators did not recommend its use for Covid-19 patients.

    From the bolded phrases, had for me to understand how IVM has done anything because,

    1. Still no use data
    2. Doesn't even say IVM is in the 7 day supply.
    3. The only mention of IVM directly follows a sentence about self medicating and price caps.

    Then a lovely graph with a peak....that doesn't mention if IVM was in use.

    Then I followed the Twitter link. Some commented the study just gave IVM out to people without monitoring to see if they took it. That don't sound much like a scientific approach.

    Then finally a blurb about India, which isn't Indonesia.

    Where did my analysis err? Using that article alone show me how it supports tying Plummeting to use of IVM.
     
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    DoggyDaddy

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    Why can't an article just provide the data instead of a sensational headline.

    Foszoe's thought process broken down for all to see.

    Of course first of all, it is GP, and hey, if people get to complain about MSM, especially my beloved WSJ!, I can complain about GP.


    AN amazing headline, BUT what does authorizing have to do with use? Nothing.
    What does authorizing have to do with cases plummeting? Nothing.

    Authorization was July, ok.

    Where is something along the lines of data where it was actually used? So far nothing.



    Another great bolded statement, but authorizing and using are still not the same thing.

    GP then quotes another article



    From the bolded phrases, had for me to understand how IVM has done anything because,

    1. Still no use data
    2. Doesn't even say IVM is in the 7 day supply.
    3. The only mention of IVM directly follows a sentence about self medicating and price caps.

    Then a lovely graph with a peak....that doesn't mention if IVM was in use.

    Then I followed the Twitter link. Some commented the study just gave IVM out to people without monitoring to see if they took it. That don't sound much like a scientific approach.

    Then finally a blurb about India, which isn't Indonesia.

    Where did my analysis err? Using that article alone show me how it supports tying Plummeting to use of IVM.
    It was a joke. Just poking fun at Kirk's "horse dewormer" nonsense.
     

    foszoe

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    It was a joke. Just poking fun at Kirk's "horse dewormer" nonsense.
    You mean I actually put some thought into a post and it was all for naught (let the youngsters go look that one up).

    Anyway, my takeaway was if we can harness Ivermectin's full potential we may be able to tackle Covid better, maybe even rein in the spread instead of saddling the health care system. It seems several people are chomping at the bit to use Ivermectin but TPTB want to keep a bridle on it's usage. Perhaps by trotting towards a solution instead of barrel racing, we can all come to an acceptance of its usage in limited cases as it worms it way into more and more commonality.
     

    Ingomike

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    and hey, if people get to complain about MSM, especially my beloved WSJ!, I can complain about GP.

    It too was once a beloved source of information for me, I considered it the very best. It took a couple of days to digest all the news, commentary, and information in each edition. The news traditionally had a more liberal bent but the editorial section was incredible.

    Sadly those responsible for the paper retired, some passed away, and others moved on. Murdoch bought it and now the WSJ answers to the ultra liberal Murdoch brothers.

    It ain't your fathers Oldsmobile...
     

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    Why can't an article just provide the data instead of a sensational headline.

    Foszoe's thought process broken down for all to see.

    Of course first of all, it is GP, and hey, if people get to complain about MSM, especially my beloved WSJ!, I can complain about GP.


    AN amazing headline, BUT what does authorizing have to do with use? Nothing.
    What does authorizing have to do with cases plummeting? Nothing.

    Authorization was July, ok.

    Where is something along the lines of data where it was actually used? So far nothing.



    Another great bolded statement, but authorizing and using are still not the same thing.

    GP then quotes another article



    From the bolded phrases, had for me to understand how IVM has done anything because,

    1. Still no use data
    2. Doesn't even say IVM is in the 7 day supply.
    3. The only mention of IVM directly follows a sentence about self medicating and price caps.

    Then a lovely graph with a peak....that doesn't mention if IVM was in use.

    Then I followed the Twitter link. Some commented the study just gave IVM out to people without monitoring to see if they took it. That don't sound much like a scientific approach.

    Then finally a blurb about India, which isn't Indonesia.

    Where did my analysis err? Using that article alone show me how it supports tying Plummeting to use of IVM.
    It's Gateway Pundit. You expect chopped liver?
     

    foszoe

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    It too was once a beloved source of information for me, I considered it the very best. It took a couple of days to digest all the news, commentary, and information in each edition. The news traditionally had a more liberal bent but the editorial section was incredible.

    Sadly those responsible for the paper retired, some passed away, and others moved on. Murdoch bought it and now the WSJ answers to the ultra liberal Murdoch brothers.

    It ain't your fathers Oldsmobile...
    IMO, it is still the best of the MSM. It doesn't get sensational like so many other outlets. The articles are detailed and if I want to fact check them, its usually specific enough in its content that I can.

    When it comes to finding a MSM source that checks all the boxes, I think you would have a better chance at surviving a GoT wedding.
     
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