Slavery in America

[Kutnupe14]

You could always explain why others are wrong about CRT if you feel so strongly of it’s importance.

I didn't call them wrong more than I've been asking for them to cite the specific sources they are getting their opinions on CRT.
I think CRT is a very simple concept. The notion that since the creation of our nation, POC haven't achieved complete equal footing (varies according to group). This disparity can be explained social, legal, and economic methods; and while the our nation is nowhere near the where it was at the beginning, there are still some vestiges that exist; more covertly, than overtly. The concept should not imply that all, or even most, White people are racist, but it should acknowledge that traditionally they have had a favored status; that many apparently haven't realized.

Would you be upset if your kids were taught this? If so, please explain what you'd have issue with.

 

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[jamil]

I didn't call them wrong more than I've been asking for them to cite the specific sources they are getting their opinions on CRT.
I think CRT is a very simple concept. The notion that since the creation of our nation, POC haven't achieved complete equal footing (varies according to group). This disparity can be explained social, legal, and economic methods; and while the our nation is nowhere near the where it was at the beginning, there are still some vestiges that exist; more covertly, than overtly. The concept should not imply that all, or even most, White people are racist, but it should acknowledge that traditionally they have had a favored status; that many apparently haven't realized.

Would you be upset if your kids were taught this? If so, please explain what you'd have issue with.

Again, you're reducing it to something that sounds benign, and then claiming that it's the benign thing is being taught. But that's not what many parents have been complaining that their children are being taught in schools. What you said CRT is not controversial.

I think it's fair though, to talk about what people mean when they say CRT. I think CRT has come to mean "woke". And I think it's fair to say that they're not exactly the same thing, but they both come from the same place. A lot of the terminology comes from the same place, like, white privilege, systemic/institutional racism, etcetera.

Anyway, CRT is not a simple concept. It is very complex and has a lot of moving parts. I'd like to see you stop this reductive track and at least admit some things that are obvious.

 

[maxipum]

Again, you're reducing it to something that sounds benign, and then claiming that it's the benign thing is being taught. But that's not what many parents have been complaining that their children are being taught in schools. What you said CRT is not controversial.

I think it's fair though, to talk about what people mean when they say CRT. I think CRT has come to mean "woke". And I think it's fair to say that they're not exactly the same thing, but they both come from the same place. A lot of the terminology comes from the same place, like, white privilege, systemic/institutional racism, etcetera.

Anyway, CRT is not a simple concept. It is very complex and has a lot of moving parts. I'd like to see you stop this reductive track and at least admit some things that are obvious.

Good luck.

 

[jamil]

Regardless of where you stand on CRT, I think you're right.

And can anyone really divide what exactly CRT is? Seems like people hates it just because it's the sort of thing that liberals like, so it must be bad.

And the original post here is so very, very... not worth responding to.

Like I said, I think people see the kinds of woke nonsense going on. And some people have called out CRT and that gives people a label to call the thing that they're seeing. It doesn't mean that they're not seeing what they're seeing. But also, a lot of it is CRT at the root.

I don't think Kut is right. I think he's intentionally reducing CRT to something that sounds benign.

 

[phylodog]

If you were teaching it? Probably not. Unfortunately, I believe you are in the minority when it comes to your interpretation of CRT and what is actually being taught.

I didn't call them wrong more than I've been asking for them to cite the specific sources they are getting their opinions on CRT.
I think CRT is a very simple concept. The notion that since the creation of our nation, POC haven't achieved complete equal footing (varies according to group). This disparity can be explained social, legal, and economic methods; and while the our nation is nowhere near the where it was at the beginning, there are still some vestiges that exist; more covertly, than overtly. The concept should not imply that all, or even most, White people are racist, but it should acknowledge that traditionally they have had a favored status; that many apparently haven't realized.

Would you be upset if your kids were taught this? If so, please explain what you'd have issue with.

 

[phylodog]

In which way is time better spent?

Focusing on doing what it takes to succeed, teaching and encouraging our kids to strive for greatness - or - focusing on how bad things used to be and teaching them that they’re disadvantaged and barely stand a chance here because of the color of their skin (when that clearly is not the case)?

Equal rights have long been established here. There is a lot of BS on every side of this issue and no shortage of misconceptions to go around either.

 

[KG1]

Like I said, I think people see the kinds of woke nonsense going on. And some people have called out CRT and that gives people a label to call the thing that they're seeing. It doesn't mean that they're not seeing what they're seeing. But also, a lot of it is CRT at the root.

I don't think Kut is right. I think he's intentionally reducing CRT to something that sounds benign.

Exactly in that CRT is not quite as benign. CRT's tenants foster intolerant manifestations such as SJW activism demanding "wokeness" from white people and their white privilege.

 

[JettaKnight]

Again, you're reducing it to something that sounds benign, and then claiming that it's the benign thing is being taught. But that's not what many parents have been complaining that their children are being taught in schools. What you said CRT is not controversial.

I think it's fair though, to talk about what people mean when they say CRT. I think CRT has come to mean "woke". And I think it's fair to say that they're not exactly the same thing, but they both come from the same place. A lot of the terminology comes from the same place, like, white privilege, systemic/institutional racism, etcetera.

Anyway, CRT is not a simple concept. It is very complex and has a lot of moving parts. I'd like to see you stop this reductive track and at least admit some things that are obvious.

That's the rub - no one knows what it is, but they know they hate it.

Kut is the only one that attempted to explain it.

Then everyone says, "no Kut, that can't be it, because I can agree with that, but I know CRT is horse**** (... but I can't tell you what it is.)"

 

[BigRed]

Exactly in that CRT is not quite as benign. CRT's tenants foster intolerant manifestations such as SJW activism demanding "wokeness" from white people.

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[JettaKnight]

If you were teaching it? Probably not. Unfortunately, I believe you are in the minority when it comes to your interpretation of CRT and what is actually being taught.

Can you explain to its what is being taught in the mainstream for CRT?

(Sensational stories about wacko gender studies teachers don't count.)

 

[BigRed]

That's the rub - no one knows what it is, but they know they hate it.

Kut is the only one that attempted to explain it.

Then everyone says, "no Kut, that can't be it, because I can agree with that, but I know CRT is horse**** (... but I can't tell you what it is.)"

Asked and answered.

Critical Race Theory, the New Intolerance, and Its Grip on America

As its name should make abundantly clear, Critical Race Theory (CRT) is the child of Critical Theory (CT), or, to be more precise, its grandchild. Critical Theory is the immediate forebearer of Critical Legal Theory (CLT), and CLT begat CRT. As we discuss in this Backgrounder, however, there are...

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[phylodog]

Can you explain to its what is being taught in the mainstream for CRT?

(Sensational stories about wacko gender studies teachers don't count.)

I’ve laid out my issues with what is actually being taught pretty well in this thread. If it were a simple history lesson that would be one thing, it isn’t.

 

[JettaKnight]

Like I said, I think people see the kinds of woke nonsense going on. And some people have called out CRT and that gives people a label to call the thing that they're seeing. It doesn't mean that they're not seeing what they're seeing. But also, a lot of it is CRT at the root.

I don't think Kut is right. I think he's intentionally reducing CRT to something that sounds benign.

Much like vaccine passports took off to become a lightning rod.

Details be damned.

 

[KG1]

Here is a synopsis of a rather lengthy article on the issues with CRT curriculum and it's manifestations evolving from their core tenants

(#8 Is not a tenent relating to CRT curriculum rather it is policy recoenmdations as a solution rather than what manifests from CRT curriculum).

Critical Race Theory, the New Intolerance, and Its Grip on America | The Heritage Foundation.

1. Gives a synopsis of these three related disciplines. This includes an explanation of how CRT specifically affects Americans today and a discussion of how CRT’s ideas support the concept of identity politics and blend the ideas of victimization, group identity, and political action together, leading to a divisive civic and political culture.
2. Explains how the Black Lives Matter organizations built an aggressive political movement on CRT’s racially focused ideas—ideas apologists can use to justify violent riots.
3. Discusses ways policymakers and educators are integrating CRT into K–12 instruction.
4. Traces the roots of the school shooting in Parkland, Florida, in 2018 to a school policy dealing with student discipline that is being used by CRT advocates and researchers.
5. Explains that the free speech crisis on college campuses today is the application of CRT’s and CT’s core tenets.
6. Discusses CRT’s impact on the workplace and diversity trainings, some of which pressure employees to become activists or to discuss controversial topics in the workplace.
7. Offers examples of how entertainers—actors, critics, and others—are using CRT’s ideas to influence decision-making in Hollywood.
8. Provides policy recommendations that are aimed at restoring the concepts of judging people not by the color of their skin but by their conduct and the need to protect liberty so that everyone, regardless of ethnicity or background, has the opportunity to pursue the American Dream.

 

[JettaKnight]

Three things;

1. Slavery was pure evil. Period.
2. I`ve never owned a slave.
3. No one alive today in the United States has ever been a slave.


lets please stop this stupid stuff and move forward together, instead of allowing liberals to keep us at each others throats.

There's plenty of people alive today who were told what restroom they couldn't use, what jobs weren't available to them, what neighborhood they couldn't live in...

But please, continue to tell me how things instantly became equal in September of 1862.

 

[JettaKnight]

Here is a synopsis of a rather lengthy article on the issues with CRT curriculum and it's manifestations evolving from their core tenants

Critical Race Theory, the New Intolerance, and Its Grip on America | The Heritage Foundation.

1. Gives a synopsis of these three related disciplines. This includes an explanation of how CRT specifically affects Americans today and a discussion of how CRT’s ideas support the concept of identity politics and blend the ideas of victimization, group identity, and political action together, leading to a divisive civic and political culture.
2. Explains how the Black Lives Matter organizations built an aggressive political movement on CRT’s racially focused ideas—ideas apologists can use to justify violent riots.
3. Discusses ways policymakers and educators are integrating CRT into K–12 instruction.
4. Traces the roots of the school shooting in Parkland, Florida, in 2018 to a school policy dealing with student discipline that is being used by CRT advocates and researchers.
5. Explains that the free speech crisis on college campuses today is the application of CRT’s and CT’s core tenets.
6. Discusses CRT’s impact on the workplace and diversity trainings, some of which pressure employees to become activists or to discuss controversial topics in the workplace.
7. Offers examples of how entertainers—actors, critics, and others—are using CRT’s ideas to influence decision-making in Hollywood.
8. Provides policy recommendations that are aimed at restoring the concepts of judging people not by the color of their skin but by their conduct and the need to protect liberty so that everyone, regardless of ethnicity or background, has the opportunity to pursue the American Dream.

How about an unbiased explanation?

Can't anyone tell me anything without telling me why it's wrong/right?

 

[phylodog]

There's plenty of people alive today who were told what restroom they couldn't use, what jobs weren't available to them, what neighborhood they couldn't live in...

But please, continue to tell me how things instantly became equal in September of 1862.

No ****? Wow, that’s almost like history and has no bearing on what happens today as long as we aren’t going back down that road.

Can we move on now? Maybe someone can tell me whose next in line to claim victimization due to what their ancestors experienced?

 

[Leadeye]

Proponents of CRT all seem to dislike and want to replace the "existing social system", my question is with what? Whatever it is they clearly want to be in charge.

Demanding money just means that this is another old retread shakedown. I think the term was "guilt trip" from the past, it works if you can find people with lots of extra cash who feel guilty about having it. Things like this gain traction with some of the wealthy.

It's a hard sell to people out there just getting by, or trying to make a better life, and will dry up with the next recession.

 

[phylodog]

Can someone explain to me the benefit of teaching CRT? If it’s just a history lesson rather than an attempt to convince the people alive today that they are victims, why not call it history?

Is it because it’s just a theory? If it’s just a theory why does it need to be taught in schools? Does anyone actually have a solution to the imagined problems which necessitate CRT or are we just going to continue down the path of pissing and moaning to see who can be the next great victim?