Four Minneapolis officers fired after death of black man part II

[JCSR]

This is false.

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Seems kinda true..............​

Minneapolis officials: 1,025 properties damaged during riots​

https://bringmethenews.com/minnesota-news/minneapolis-officials-784-properties-damaged-during-riots

 

[jamil]

At the end of the day it comes down to this for me; would Floyd still be alive if the incident with the officers hadn’t occurred if you say “no” Chauvin walks. If you say “yes” Chauvin is guilty.

Guilty of what? There are three charges. And aren’t you setting up a convenient binary? First, you left out the other possibility, reasonable doubt. With this case, if you give a firm yea or no, I think you’re reaching the conclusion for biased reasons.

The reality isn’t a binary in your scenario anyway. What if Floyd’s only cause of death was the drugs? What if he swallowed a bunch of drugs when the cops came so that he wouldn’t get busted for possession, and that the amount he took was going to kill him no matter what else the officers did?

So in that case, if it weren’t for the officers, he’d still be alive, because he’d never have swallowed a lethal dose. But then he’d still have committed a crime for which police would charge him.

Okay so let me make a fairer binary. If Chauvin had only used the force necessary to restrain Floyd in the time it was necessary, would Floyd be alive? And again, with that question there are 3 possible answers: yes, no, and I don’t know. If yes, he’s guilty of the manslaughter (the other two are pretty much off the table if we’re being honest). If no, then acquit. If I don’t know then acquit.

So I’ll ask you this. Do you know? Because I don’t.

 

[jamil]

And yet plenty of people have walked in Blue states. Philando Castile for instance. History does not support your premise.

Philando Castile happened before last summer’s riots and the violent radicalization of BLM/Antifa groups. There have already been attempts to intimidate jurors.

 

[nonobaddog]

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Seems kinda true..............​

Minneapolis officials: 1,025 properties damaged during riots​

https://bringmethenews.com/minnesota-news/minneapolis-officials-784-properties-damaged-during-riots

Maybe that is what he meant - I falsely underestimated the extent of the damages.
The rest is 100% true.

 

[jamil]

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Seems kinda true..............​

Minneapolis officials: 1,025 properties damaged during riots​

https://bringmethenews.com/minnesota-news/minneapolis-officials-784-properties-damaged-during-riots

If the trial were happening in the world that existed immediately after Castile I’d never think much of it. I think Kut is sheltered from the reality of the radical activists. It’s an astonishing denial after living through all that’s happened. Living near Louisville and the things some local activists could get away with saying, the open threats, but especially the violent acts committed all around the city.

But people sympathetic to the left seem blind to it. A coworker insisted the protests were all peaceful even thought the aftermath clearly said something else.

 

[SwikLS]

Once again....

Y'all are kiddin' urselves. This guy is gonna be convicted cuz too many careers are on the line.

 

[foszoe]

This is the reason I really suspect that this jury can’t render any verdict that acquits Chauvin. I don’t think it’s possible in any Blue state to get a fair trial for a case like this. Too many woke activists willing to commit terrorism for the cause.

I don't really agree with the notion that there are blue States and red States. I think there are red States and blue cities

 

[jamil]

Once again....

Maybe there are some careers on the line. The primary reason is that the woke mob will demand it. The press, of course, is part of the woke mob.

 

[JCSR]

If the trial were happening in the world that existed immediately after Castile I’d never think much of it. I think Kut is sheltered from the reality of the radical activists. It’s an astonishing denial after living through all that’s happened. Living near Louisville and the things some local activists could get away with saying, the open threats, but especially the violent acts committed all around the city.

But people sympathetic to the left seem blind to it. A coworker insisted the protests were all peaceful even thought the aftermath clearly said something else.

It pisses me that Louisville has been left to the BLM. The downtown and waterfront areas are just not safe for white folks. My wife and I used to enjoy Louisville for many years. Now it's just not worth the risk.

 

[jamil]

I don't really agree with the notion that there are blue States and red States. I think there are red States and blue cities

Kalifornia is a blue state because there aren’t enough rural people to overcome the population in the city. Another reason might be that also in what I would call Blue states, there are a higher portion of Democrats in the suburbs and even rural areas (nit necessarily a majority) than in “Red” states.

 

[foszoe]

Kalifornia is a blue state because there aren’t enough rural people to overcome the population in the city. Another reason might be that also in what I would call Blue states, there are a higher portion of Democrats in the suburbs and even rural areas (nit necessarily a majority) than in “Red” states.

Yeah I wasn't clear enough. I'm thinking in the context of juries and trials. Trials in rural areas where they select from the peers I think would have different results the trial selected in the cities that usually swing the vote of the state blue

 

[jamil]

It pisses me that Louisville has been left to the BLM. The downtown and waterfront areas are just not safe for white folks. My wife and I used to enjoy Louisville for many years. Now it's just not worth the risk.

Eh, it’s not that bad during the day anymore. During the riots we avoided anything downtown. But now it’s pretty much okay, depending on where you go. My wife and I like to cycle along both sides of the Ohio River, and feel pretty safe doing it. But after 6PM no ****ing way. And even before 6PM we don’t go west of 3rd street on the Louisville side.

 

[DadSmith]

Expert testimony in court has already cleared the officer of having his knee on his neck, and that Floyd's death was from drugs in his system. This case should be over and the officers reinstated. No neck trauma at all according to testimony. Bruises on shoulders where he had his knee not on his neck.

 

[jamil]

Yeah I wasn't clear enough. I'm thinking in the context of juries and trials. Trials in rural areas where they select from the peers I think would have different results the trial selected in the cities that usually swing the vote of the state blue

I dunno. I kinda think in Minnesota BLM/Antifa thugs would go out in the rural areas to do whatever they do. If Chauvin is acquitted you can bet the jurors will be doxxed, and they’d be doxxed no matter where they lived. I think it would be harder for BLM/Antifa to operate in the more rural states. Hold that trial in Wyoming and BLM/Antifa probably ain’t gonna get much traction.

 

[jamil]

Expert testimony in court has already cleared the officer of having his knee on his neck, and that Floyd's death was from drugs in his system. This case should be over and the officers reinstated. No neck trauma at all according to testimony. Bruises on shoulders where he had his knee not on his neck.

Probably to your satisfaction but that’s not at all been “cleared”. It’s only helped to establish reasonable doubt. And the trial is not over.

 

[JCSR]

The defense is looking good and has not called it's first witness.

 

[DadSmith]

Probably to your satisfaction but that’s not at all been “cleared”. It’s only helped to establish reasonable doubt. And the trial is not over.

So the coroner's testimony the chiefs testimony and other expert testimony mean nothing? I guess crying and saying how evil the police are is more compelling?

 

[jamil]

So the coroner's testimony the chiefs testimony and other expert testimony mean nothing? I guess crying and saying how evil the police are is more compelling?

This kinda sounds like you have been listening to right wing sources calling the trial, a lot like those listening to left wing commenters calling the trial. They think the prosecution has it in the bag.

But if you’ve been watching the testimony, it’s not as clear as you seem to think. The coroner did not say that Floyd’s death was caused by Drugs, and not Chauvin’s actions. What he said does no more than establish what I think is a reasonable doubt.

 

[nonobaddog]

I dunno. I kinda think in Minnesota BLM/Antifa thugs would go out in the rural areas to do whatever they do. If Chauvin is acquitted you can bet the jurors will be doxxed, and they’d be doxxed no matter where they lived. I think it would be harder for BLM/Antifa to operate in the more rural states. Hold that trial in Wyoming and BLM/Antifa probably ain’t gonna get much traction.

I don't think they would have the best luck in rural Minnesota.

Depending on how you define ruralness, Minnesota is about in the middle of all states in rurality while Wyoming is less rural than average.

 

[DadSmith]

This kinda sounds like you have been listening to right wing sources calling the trial, a lot like those listening to left wing commenters calling the trial. They think the prosecution has it in the bag.

But if you’ve been watching the testimony, it’s not as clear as you seem to think. The coroner did not say that Floyd’s death was caused by Drugs, and not Chauvin’s actions. What he said does no more than establish what I think is a reasonable doubt.

I don't listen much I read a lot. I read where he said that there were no bruises on his neck just his shoulders where the officer had his knee. That was stated. It was also stated he died of od.