Looking for .22LR rifle that works for me

[zachcz]

 

[doddg]

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Totally funny!

 

[doddg]

I get the arthritis thing, but not sure I understand why the scope has to be close to the eye. If what you're actually saying, is that you can't "move" your neck forward to get into the "exit pupil" of a rifle scope, have you given any consideration to mounting a long eye-relief pistol scope on a rifle? That would move the optical "exit pupil" of the scope farther back from where it usually is with a rifle scope. It sounds like the problem you're describing may be the one that the handgun metallic silhouette people already had to solve, and there is at least one handgun metallic silhouette shooter on INGO who uses high magnification long eye-relief pistol scopes a lot (on pistols of course). If you look around a bit, the world of long eye-relief pistol scopes is not limited to low-magnification models.

Concerning why the scope has to be so close to my eye,
you are right:
I can't push my neck down & forward.
The neck movement is limited, like my shoulders & back b/c of the gift of arthritis.
The scope must come back to me head/eye, which I've learned the painful hard way.
Interesting about the long eye relief for rifles.
I use long eye relief scopes I've picked up on a few handguns, as they are intended, but never thought of them for rifle use.

On another note:
The 45* offset rail was recommended to me by a member I sold a gun to recently.
I was surprised noone had mentioned it.
Anyone used any of these?
- GOTICAL 45 Degree Offset Picatinny Rail Mount
- UTG 45 Degree Picatinny Rail Angle Mount With 90 Degree Picatinny Rail Mount, Double Picatinny Rails With 3 Slots Angle Mount With Integral Qd Lever Lock System
- AR15 45 Degree Angle Mount 5 Slot

 

[doddg]

1. Tikka: I've talked to guys here that have them or want them or that I've seen great range pics of
2. Bergara (they have a new $600 econo version)

B/C of seeing range pics, I recently have bought:
- Different CZ rifles: the 512 semi-auto, 457 Trainer & recently the 455 Varmint from Rala
- Savage A22 (Ggreen did well with this)
- Savage FV-SR bolt action from zachcz

I was looking for a certain post & ran across this one above.
Update:
Sold:
- CZ 457 trainer
- Savage A-22
- Savage FV-SR

Down to only 1 semi: CZ 512, one of my goals in trimming rifles.
Two bolts left: it was tough selling the Savage FV-SR since on a good day it could beat the other two bolts.
Aeroflyer always told me to shoot what I like & quit worrying about accuracy (but I like them all ).

I do have to make a decision about the Ruger Precision Rifle since I like the CZ 455 better.
It could take awhile to part with RPR as it did with the Ruger 10/22, which wasn't even close to running with the 512 or A22 semis.
But, I just liked the 10/22: great wood stock, SS, upgraded trigger & bought from a great friend here.
At least the RPR & 455 are competitive in my amateurish hands accompanied with my baggage.

 

[doddg]

Put a few rounds through the bolt actions today.
25 yds at the indoor range shooting at 1/2" circles.
Groups are not as tight as the outdoor range since I only have a front rest indoors & a moving shoulder instead of a front & back rest.

The Ruger Precision Rifle & the CZ 455 Varmint keep taking turns outshooting each other.
It's going to be difficult to trim one of these.
I just might have to keep both of them.

 

[doddg]

Adding to the previous target above where I shot the 1st row (in the "box") with the RPR,
and the 5th row with the CZ 455 Varmint, a week or two ago at the indoor range.-

I was looking forward to shooting outdoors since I can use both the front bag & rear bag.
At the indoor range there isn't room for a rear bag & have to use my shoulder which makes the crosshairs move around.
I knew I was going to improve my scores at the outdoor range using both bags.

WRONG! I couldn't believe it!
I demand that my rifles shoot 80% or I sell them & these two have survived the cut of a many other rifles but shot like crap today.
What was the X factor?
I used Winchester Super X 1300 FPS solid copper-plated round nose instead of CCI SV.
Was it the ammo?
But how could it do worse than at the indoor range using only 1 bag?
I was not pleased with the previous indoor scores last week being under 80%:
- RPR = 76% (Row 1)
- CZ 455 Varmint 68% (Row 5)

I should have done better at the outdoor range & don't understand what happened for the scores to drop, especially how much the CZ 455 dropped.

Today's scores outdoors:
RPR
- 66% (row 2)
- 57% (row 3)
CZ 455 Varmint
- 34% (row 4)
- 29% (row 6)

There seemed to be no rhyme or reason to the random spread of rounds with the CZ 455.
The rifle was rested on front & rear bags with the crosshairs not moving & all I had to do was pull the trigger gently.

It did, what
it wanted to do, when
it wanted to do
it, and how
it wanted to do
it.

 

[WebSnyper]

Adding to the previous target above where I shot the 1st row (in the "box") with the RPR,
and the 5th row with the CZ 455 Varmint, a week or two ago at the indoor range.-

I was looking forward to shooting outdoors since I can use both the front bag & rear bag.
At the indoor range there isn't room for a rear bag & have to use my shoulder which makes the crosshairs move around.
I knew I was going to improve my scores at the outdoor range using both bags.

WRONG! I couldn't believe it!
I demand that my rifles shoot 80% or I sell them & these two have survived the cut of a many other rifles but shot like crap today.
What was the X factor?
I used Winchester Super X 1300 FPS solid copper-plated round nose instead of CCI SV.
Was it the ammo?
But how could it do worse than at the indoor range using only 1 bag?
I was not pleased with the previous indoor scores last week being under 80%:
- RPR = 76% (Row 1)
- CZ 455 Varmint 68% (Row 5)

I should have done better at the outdoor range & don't understand what happened for the scores to drop, especially how much the CZ 455 dropped.

Today's scores outdoors:
RPR
- 66% (row 2)
- 57% (row 3)
CZ 455 Varmint
- 34% (row 4)
- 29% (row 6)

There seemed to be no rhyme or reason to the random spread of rounds with the CZ 455.
The rifle was rested on front & rear bags with the crosshairs not moving & all I had to do was pull the trigger gently.

It did, what
it wanted to do, when
it wanted to do
it, and how
it wanted to do
it.

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What was the wind doing today?

 

[doddg]

What was the wind doing today?

At 25 yds, I was told that didn't matter, but there was some wind, but I didn't think it was particularly gusty.
I hold out the hope that had something to do with it also!

 

[TJ Kackowski]

Looks like these rifles have finally shown themselves to be defective. I'll help ease your pain by taking the CZ off your hands.

 

[doddg]

Looks like these rifles have finally shown themselves to be defective. I'll help ease your pain by taking the CZ off your hands.

Funniest thing I've heard all day.
But, the day is young.

I have these targets below that remind me I am the X factor & it's all my doing like everyone has said previously.
Although, I continue to I search desperately for excuses of ammo, scopes, wind & sometimes rests.
I just cannot accept that at only 25 yds with a perfect bead through the crosshairs while steady on a bullseye,
the POI will go flying away 1"- 1.5" elsewhere & in a in a different direction sometimes than the last shot, making it over 2" away.
I was truly upset yesterday & still pouting about it.

 

[wtburnette]

Results look fine to me...

 

[doddg]

Results look fine to me...

Are you looking at the
"Yesterday 9:51 PM "#306"
single target I posted with 2 old rows & 4 new rows from yesterday?
If so, you are my new best friend, ha ha!

Plenty of targets do 80%+ , hitting 90% upon occasion.
Anything below 50% makes me grit my teeth.
I have sold any rifle scoring only in the 60s% as a high.
Even my beloved Ruger 10/22 that I had the longest & loved for different reasons, took me months but I finally let it go.
I miss it.

Now that I've got 3 rifles usually doing 80% or better, it's getting tough.
Henry Pump not count, it is just for fun & a change-up, not for accuracy.
I'm keeping the semi action CZ 512 for sure.

These two bolt actions are going to be tough to choose between.
If they continue to take turns beating each other, I will enjoy both.

 

[wtburnette]

I was looking at all the pics. A lot of the groups just look fine to me. Some are huge, but most look pretty tight. I'd be happy with them anyway.

 

[doddg]

I was looking at all the pics. A lot of the groups just look fine to me. Some are huge, but most look pretty tight. I'd be happy with them anyway.

Appreciate the encouragement!
Getting ready to go to the range now before the rains come.

Going to put cantilever rings on the 455 since the scope isn’t coming back to my eye enough and it’s & it is literally a pain in the neck to see through it.

 

[mcapo]

Those look like fine groups to me.

If you want my opinion (which you didn't ask for)....that's all you can ask for out of CCI SV.

CCI SV is my preferred shootin' ammo but I find that it has about a 15% flyer rate (that's a WAG not a supportable number). By a flyer, I mean a shot that I never saw the crosshairs move and watched the errant POI. Every ammo has limits.

My suggestion (again which you didn't ask for), is to take that CZ 455 and get multiple brands of high end precision ammo and focus in at 50 yards and let the gun tell you what groups the smallest.

Lastly on my list of things you didn't ask my opinion of. You ain't gonna find a scope layout that works until you pony up for a fully adjustable chassis stock. (See my Post #7 herein). Maybe you don't want to make that commitment to a single rifle and that is understandable but that is my two cents.

All in all...you have posted some solid groups!

 

[WebSnyper]

Are you looking at the
"Yesterday 9:51 PM "#306"
single target I posted with 2 old rows & 4 new rows from yesterday?
If so, you are my new best friend, ha ha!

Plenty of targets do 80%+ , hitting 90% upon occasion.
Anything below 50% makes me grit my teeth.
I have sold any rifle scoring only in the 60s% as a high.
Even my beloved Ruger 10/22 that I had the longest & loved for different reasons, took me months but I finally let it go.
I miss it.

Now that I've got 3 rifles usually doing 80% or better, it's getting tough.
Henry Pump not count, it is just for fun & a change-up, not for accuracy.
I'm keeping the semi action CZ 512 for sure.

These two bolt actions are going to be tough to choose between.
If they continue to take turns beating each other, I will enjoy both.

By your way of reasoning, a very small group 100% outside of the circle would be worse than a group that covered the circle or even had 1 or 2 in the circle. You are grading based on accuracy as opposed to precision it seems. I know others have brought this up before, and at least you are consistent on your ratings (even if it is flawed ;-) ), but kind of makes my head hurt trying to read the analysis.

The amount of variables you introduce would drive me crazy. I honestly don't know how you can keep up with shooting all the different variations of guns, optics, adjustments, etc. Don't get me wrong there will always be some, such as wind, etc that can possibly be recorded but are beyond your control, but the self introduced ones would make me crazy. Probably just one of the reasons I gave up on my attempts at the precision stuff years back (that and not having good mentorship on it at the time).

I'm possibly interested in getting a varmint type of 17 HMR bolt gun to play with, but now wondering if it would just drive me nuts.

All that said, if you could do it every day, super consistently would it be as interesting to you? I'm guessing you would just push for more range, but the point is it's challenging so it keeps your interest.
That answer may be different for some, including me.

 

[mcapo]

...I'm possibly interested in getting a varmint type of 17 HMR bolt gun to play with, but now wondering if it would just drive me nuts...

That is half the fun of it. The challenge to be accurate and consistent.

If I was going to start with a precision bolt gun in the current climate, I would go with a 22 (unless you are a well stocked centerfire reloader). Match ammo is readily available and, while not cheap, isn't $3 a round.

Nothing wrong with 17hmr but 22 gives you more options in the current climate. IMnsHO - which you also didn't ask for. ;-)

 

[WebSnyper]

That is half the fun of it. The challenge to be accurate and consistent.

If I was going to start with a precision bolt gun in the current climate, I would go with a 22 (unless you are a well stocked centerfire reloader). Match ammo is readily available and, while not cheap, isn't $3 a round.

Nothing wrong with 17hmr but 22 gives you more options in the current climate. IMnsHO - which you also didn't ask for. ;-)

I get it on the accurate and consistent. The amount of variables that doddg throws in when shooting bolt guns would just rack my CDO. Shooting action steel with handguns, I get throwing in some things. Shooting bolt gun and trying to compare from range trip to range trip with many variables self introduced would unnerve me.

No worries. I get it on 22 vs 17 HMR. I've done the bolt gun in 22LR before long time ago (and 308). Yours is probably the same advice I would give someone as well, but I'm interested in something with a little more pop than 22, but I only really need something to play with at 100 yards or so, that I can shoot as an approved caliber at Marion County Fish and Game. That said, I'll admit to not having shot a 17 HMR before.

Don't think I'm interested in anything rifle calibered in centerfire in a bolt gun for a few reasons (including not being able to shoot it at my local club, and just wrapping my head around doping one out at any distance).

I might punt to 22 LR as I have a decent stock at least of inexpensive ammo to run through my 15-22 as well as my 22 LR semi auto handguns.

Just thinking that the 22 LR in a bolt gun might bore me to death. CM indicated in another thread that 17 HMR had a bit more pop to it, (though I should make sure he didn't have a "loudener" on his). I'll be researching a bit more before any purchases are made. Thinking I'm interested in a varmint/heavy barrel type gun (though maybe fairly short barrel), with synthetic stock type of setup.

 

[mcapo]

No worries. I get it on 22 vs 17 HMR. I've done the bolt gun in 22LR before (and 308). Yours is probably the same advice I would give someone as well, but I'm interested in something with a little more pop than 22, but I only really need something to play with at 100 yards or so, that I can shoot as an approved caliber at Marion County Fish and Game. That said, I'll admit to not having shot a 17 HMR before.

Oh yea, they are kinda a pistol caliber-ish only place?

17hmr is fun. It is a little screamer and shoots pretty flat out past 100.

You should get one:

CZ 457 Varmint - CZ-USA

A target rifle at heart, the 457 Varmint has a heavy straight-profile barrel.

cz-usa.com

 

[doddg]

Those look like fine groups to me.

If you want my opinion (which you didn't ask for)....that's all you can ask for out of CCI SV.

CCI SV is my preferred shootin' ammo but I find that it has about a 15% flyer rate (that's a WAG not a supportable number). By a flyer, I mean a shot that I never saw the crosshairs move and watched the errant POI. Every ammo has limits.

My suggestion (again which you didn't ask for), is to take that CZ 455 and get multiple brands of high end precision ammo and focus in at 50 yards and let the gun tell you what groups the smallest.

Lastly on my list of things you didn't ask my opinion of. You ain't gonna find a scope layout that works until you pony up for a fully adjustable chassis stock. (See my Post #7 herein). Maybe you don't want to make that commitment to a single rifle and that is understandable but that is my two cents.

All in all...you have posted some solid groups!

Always appreciate your input and advice.


I’m still at the range and getting ready to leave actually.

You were not going to believe today’s groups:
– 100% CZ455
- 100% CZ 455
- 86% RPR
- 91%. RPR

Same targets: different ammo.

This was using CCI standard velocity today.
Yesterday I used Winchester super X 1300 FPS when I got such poor POI.
I am very excited.
I will post the pic when I get home.
Of course!