Biden reverses price cuts for insulin and Epi pens

[foszoe]

So when do you support government interference in the market and when don't you? Is it good when Trump does it, but not if the Ds do it? Is it OK if it benefits you or someone you know, but not if it doesn't? Where is the line?

Maybe you'll get an answer. Asked the same thing in post #7 and basically I just want people to die. It's almost like I am pushing little old ladies in wheel chairs off a cliff!

 

[phylodog]

It had never gone into effect.

A number of Trump's EOs were put on hold, not "wiped off the table".

No ****, still waiting for a legitimate reason.

 

[foszoe]

What the hell does that have to do with the discussion? Had Biden expanded it to other medications I'm not sure I'd disagree with him but he didn't. He threw American citizens under the bus out of spite.

Period.

Simple really. Why should ONLY epi pens and insulin be included? Are those somehow more special than other medications? How are you justifying it only for those two examples? Why wouldn't you lobby for ALL medications to be included? Why were they excluded in the first place?

 

[phylodog]

$50 says that if the current administration brings it back it will be less effective, cost the government money and be touted as "better than Trump's plan".

 

[JTScribe]

So when do you support government interference in the market and when don't you? Is it good when Trump does it, but not if the Ds do it? Is it OK if it benefits you or someone you know, but not if it doesn't? Where is the line?

From a Bloomberg article:

“Centers that don’t pass on the savings wouldn’t qualify for federal grants.”

If you want free money from Uncle Sam, you play by his rules.

 

[phylodog]

Simple really. Why should ONLY epi pens and insulin be included? Are those somehow more special than other medications? How are you justifying it only for those two examples? Why wouldn't you lobby for ALL medications to be included? Why were they excluded in the first place

I'm done. You're too obsessed with Trump to carry on a normal discussion. You're sidetracking every discussion to find a way to dog Trump and defend Biden.

Get over it

 

[phylodog]

Simple really. Why should ONLY epi pens and insulin be included? Are those somehow more special than other medications? How are you justifying it only for those two examples? Why wouldn't you lobby for ALL medications to be included? Why were they excluded in the first place?

Then why not write another EO to include whatever other drugs fit the same profile.

 

[churchmouse]

I'm done. You're too obsessed with Trump to carry on a normal discussion. You're sidetracking every discussion to find a way to dog Trump and defend Biden.

Get over it

Bingo.

 

[OakRiver]

Meanwhile:

Biden tells Georgia voters that $2,000 stimulus checks will never arrive if Republicans win Senate runoffs

President-elect Joe Biden said $2,000 relief checks would reach Americans quickly if the Democrats Raphael Warnock and Jon Ossoff won in Georgia.

www.businessinsider.com

Georgia voters feel 'betrayed' over $2,000 relief checks

Georgia senators-elect Jon Ossoff and Raphael Warnock both used the phrase '$2,000 relief checks' during their campaigns, with Warnock even sharing a mocked-up image of one.

www.dailymail.co.uk

GROUCHO (to woman seated next to him at an elegant dinner party): Would you sleep with me for ten million dollars?

WOMAN (giggles and responds): Oh, Groucho, of course I would.

GROUCHO; How about doing it for fifteen dollars?

WOMAN (indignant): Why, what do you think I am?

GROUCHO: That’s already been established. Now we’re just haggling about the price.

 

[churchmouse]

Simple really. Why should ONLY epi pens and insulin be included? Are those somehow more special than other medications? How are you justifying it only for those two examples? Why wouldn't you lobby for ALL medications to be included? Why were they excluded in the first place?

A specific issue was addressed as the market was cornered and people were being punished with insane pricing.

Foz, you are starting to irritate me and many others. Plastering the forum with these threads and making my day difficult.

I see merit in some of the questions but the obsession with the thinly veiled TDS has to stop or I will stop it.

 

[foszoe]

I'm done. You're too obsessed with Trump to carry on a normal discussion. You're sidetracking every discussion to find a way to dog Trump and defend Biden.

Get over it

There is an obsession with Trump but its not from here. I am not the one that is seeing Trump hidden in every post.

 

[phylodog]

You're the one making every thread about Trump.

 

[KLB]

I'm done. You're too obsessed with Trump to carry on a normal discussion. You're sidetracking every discussion to find a way to dog Trump and defend Biden.

Get over it

A specific issue was addressed as the market was cornered and people were being punished with insane pricing.

Foz, you are starting to irritate me and many others. Plastering the forum with these threads and making my day difficult.

I see merit in some of the questions but the obsession with the thinly veiled TDS has to stop or I will stop it.

Are you guys reading the same stuff I am?

 

[printcraft]

There is an obsession with Trump but its not from here. I am not the one that is seeing Trump hidden in every post.

 

[Twangbanger]

In the case I gave about chemotherapy drugs, this is really about Obamacare, which pre-dated Trump. The government intervened by subsidizing the drugs to the pharma company, allowing the therapy provider to buy at a reduced price...but then not allowing that reduced price to be passed along to the consumer and/or insurance company.

But, the advantage was not granted to _all_ providers. There were a set of guidelines which had to be met, which chiefly restricted the benefits to the hell-hole inner city hospitals. In turn, causing providers to funnel chemotherapy patients into those hospitals, leaving smaller outlying locations without enough patients to sustain onco operations.

"If you like your healthcare, you can keep it."

So the "heavy hand of government" originates with Obamacare and Biden, who was Obama's VP and is expected to be a passionate guardian of the legislation.

Due to Republicans like McCain (who some here probably think was a just fine guy), we could not seem to repeal this legislation.

Given that, I have no problem whatsoever with Trump handing down as many heavy-handed EO's as he wants, if the purpose is to interfere with the enactment of Obama's legislation. The people have the right to un-elect him if they want. They just did, and now they are likely going to pay the price for it.

The goal of the Left is to foment general satisfaction with the healthcare system, which they see as still being too free market oriented. Their actions do not have to make sense. Illogical and poorly thought-out action, which increases dissatisfaction and moves the Overton window towards Bernie, it's ultimately good for their final goal.

I don't understand why some here seem to think Trumpism is a bigger enemy than the Left. It is like some kind of orthodox religious obsession.

 

[OakRiver]

No ****, still waiting for a legitimate reason.

Orange Man bad?

 

[OakRiver]

In the case I gave about chemotherapy drugs, this is really about Obamacare, which pre-dated Trump. The government intervened by subsidizing the drugs to the pharma company, allowing the therapy provider to buy at a reduced price...but then not allowing that reduced price to be passed along to the consumer and/or insurance company.

But, the advantage was not granted to _all_ providers. There were a set of guidelines which had to be met, which chiefly restricted the benefits to the hell-hole inner city hospitals. In turn, causing providers to funnel chemotherapy patients into those hospitals, leaving smaller outlying locations without enough patients to sustain onco operations.

"If you like your healthcare, you can keep it."

So the "heavy hand of government" originates with Obamacare and Biden, who was Obama's VP and is expected to be a passionate guardian of the legislation.

Due to Republicans like McCain (who some here probably think was a just fine guy), we could not seem to repeal this legislation.

Given that, I have no problem whatsoever with Trump handing down as many heavy-handed EO's as he wants, if the purpose is to interfere with the enactment of Obama's legislation. The people have the right to un-elect him if they want. They just did, and now they are likely going to pay the price for it.

The goal of the Left is to foment general satisfaction with the healthcare system, which they see as still being too free market oriented. Their actions do not have to make sense. Illogical and poorly thought-out action, which increases dissatisfaction and moves the Overton window towards Bernie, it's ultimately good for their final goal.

I don't understand why some here seem to think Trumpism is a bigger enemy than the Left. It is like some kind of orthodox religious obsession.

And like all government programs, once you start tinkering in an area you never stop. Like trying to shoot accurate groups from a keyholing rifle, at long range, in high winds, you just keep chasing what you can't catch. You see, government programs never fail because they were implemented without actually understanding the issues and outcomes at stake. Nor do they fail because of inept leadership. Nor do they fail because they could never succeed in a free and open society. No. Government programs fail either because they simply did not throw enough tax payer money at the issue, or they did not give the people running the program enough power.

 

[1775usmarine]

Simple really. Why should ONLY epi pens and insulin be included? Are those somehow more special than other medications? How are you justifying it only for those two examples? Why wouldn't you lobby for ALL medications to be included? Why were they excluded in the first place?

Because there are plenty of generic drugs out there for other prescriptions. Whereas there are 3 makers of insulin and 4 makers of "EpiPen's" and 3 generic EpiPen.

 

[marvin02]

I bet all these "medicare for all!" people will enjoy paying $900 for their insulin that Trump was getting them for a heck of a lot less.

Elections have consequences... lol

First mention of Trump from post #3 of the thread (not counting social media quoted in opening post)

Exactly what I posted in another thread. My Dad will be thrilled to go back to making a monthly mortgage payment for his insulin. Their claim is they want to re-evaluate in a few months. The dems are fine with a 1.9 trillion dollar covid stimulus but allowing Trump's EO saving citizens money on their meds was apparently going to cause problems.

Someone explain to me again how the democrats look out for the average guy and not big business.

Post #6, next mention of Trump.

Trying to understand this more.
Who took the hit when the prices were froze, or discounted or whatever? The insurance companies? The people who happened to hold the inventory at the time ( don’t laugh I’m old timey like that)? The developers? The pharmacies? The hospitals?
Whatever the answer is, why can the people not get together and force this back down to reasonable?
Was there a subsidy paid to those who were ‘losing’?

ETA: I wrote this under the impression that a Trump EO had lowered or frozen these costs earlier.

Post # 9 - another Trump mention

My understanding was that it wasn't a subsidy but a regulation to stop businesses from enjoying manufacturers discounts on medicines and not passing them on to customers. I can't understand what harm would have been done to allow it until they did whatever re-evaluation they want to do.

It wasn't costing the gov't anything. Canceling it does not benefit the government. It was done to spite Trump, petulant behavior that does nothing but hurt citizens who can't afford $900/mo for insulin.

Post #13 - another mention of Trump

You're the one making every thread about Trump.

So how did @foszoe make the thread about Trump? Particularly, in post 13, you stated that the action was taken to "spite" Trump. Seems that was what made the thread about Trump.

 

[2in1evtime]

Makes me wonder how much big pharma donated to the puppets election?????????