2019 Legislative Session Thread

[chipbennett]

Come on down, I'll save you a seat.

My problem is that I work out of state during the week, so I'm never around while the legislature is in session.

 

[KellyinAvon]

My problem is that I work out of state during the week, so I'm never around while the legislature is in session.

I am in a good situation with my job. I always have use or lose leave to burn and there are rarely emergencies that involve trend analysis charts. With Michigan Street being 2-way traffic from White River Parkway to West Street now I can be at 200 W Washington even quicker.

I'll probably retire in 2033, so I can do this a while longer. Get ConC on the books? Hell, I'll need a new hobby.

 

[goldtrigger]

Get ConC on the books? Hell, I'll need a new hobby.

Kelly, thanks for all you have done!!!!
And I hope that you will need a new hobby soon!!
Have any of the Reps or Senators mentioned bringing up ConC during the next session?

 

[KellyinAvon]

Kelly, thanks for all you have done!!!!
And I hope that you will need a new hobby soon!!
Have any of the Reps or Senators mentioned bringing up ConC during the next session?

Thank you GT, glad I could help out. Chip mentioned 2021 to go for ConC. Longer session than 2020 and there will be the loss of law-abiding gun owners subsidizing Police Departments. When workload goes away you don't need as many State employees, a fact that seems to be lost on many.

 

[KellyinAvon]

Both HB 1253 (Firearms Training for Teachers) and HB 1651 Judicial Evaluation of Dangerous Persons and Firearms, (strengthens protections under current Laird Law) are up for third reading today. This is the LAST DAY for third reading of House bills in the Senate. Good day to give your Senator a call. 1-800-382-9467, ask to leave a message for your Senator about the specific bills.

 

[KellyinAvon]

Called a minute ago and left a message for Senator Crane. Had a wait in the call queue which is unusual.

 

[KellyinAvon]

INGO!! Both HB 1253 and HB 1651 passed on the third reading today.

The good: I've reviewed HB 1651. It has the Church Carry language, 5-year NICS exempt LTCH that will be free after 1 Jul 21 (not 2020) is in the bill. The stregthened protections under the current Laird Law are in place. Liability for loss or damage to firearms seized by Police is there (Amboy I still owe you a cheeseburger), as is strict timeframes to have an affidavit to a judge in the event of seizure.

The (possible) bad: I need to thoroughly read the latest version of HB 1253. I was concerned by a couple things I saw, I need to give it a hard look before I say anything else.

Edit: both bills passed the Senate with amendments, returned to the House with amendments.

 

[KellyinAvon]

OK, I've read the version of HB 1253 that passed the Senate today. Due to one amendment this is not the same bill IMHO. It's not the same bill Guy, Coach, and I testified to support.

Does it provide for a capability that can be a real deterrent to potential mass-murderers because they may be facing armed opposition? Yes.

Did a group of people protected by a large number of armed State Troopers and Capitol Police decide local school boards can't allow for the exercise of an essential Constitutional Right without meeting requirements mandated from 200 W Washington Street? Yes.

Below is the part I have a problem with. Maybe this was the only way of getting it passed. Some very strong 2A supporters vote yes, maybe I'm looking at it wrong. It gets us where we need to be, I don't like how.

[FONT=&quot]Sec. 8. (a) This section applies to a school corporation, charter school, or nonpublic school in which the school board of the school corporation, charter school, or nonpublic school authorizes a person other than a law enforcement officer or school resource officer to carry a firearm in or on school property. (b) Before an employee or any other staff member of a school corporation, charter school, or nonpublic school may carry a firearm in or on school property as authorized by a school board of the school corporation, charter school, or nonpublic school, the employee or staff member shall do the following: (1) Successfully complete the specialized weapons training described in section 11 of this chapter. (2) Provide proof to the school board that the employee or other staff member has successfully completed the specialized weapons training. (3) Complete the Minnesota multiphasic personality inventory 2 (MMPI-II) and provide proof of completion as required under section 10 of this chapter. (c) An employee or other staff member of a school corporation, charter school, or nonpublic school shall successfully complete eight (8) hours of weapons training each year that the employee or staff member intends to carry a firearm in or on school property. [/FONT]

 

[dudley0]

[FONT=&amp]Sec. 8. (a) This section applies to a school corporation, charter school, or nonpublic school in which the school board of the school corporation, charter school, or nonpublic school authorizes a person other than a law enforcement officer or school resource officer to carry a firearm in or on school property. (b) Before an employee or any other staff member of a school corporation, charter school, or nonpublic school may carry a firearm in or on school property as authorized by a school board of the school corporation, charter school, or nonpublic school, the employee or staff member shall do the following: (1) Successfully complete the specialized weapons training described in section 11 of this chapter. (2) Provide proof to the school board that the employee or other staff member has successfully completed the specialized weapons training. (3) Complete the Minnesota multiphasic personality inventory 2 (MMPI-II) and provide proof of completion as required under section 10 of this chapter. (c) An employee or other staff member of a school corporation, charter school, or nonpublic school shall successfully complete eight (8) hours of weapons training each year that the employee or staff member intends to carry a firearm in or on school property. [/FONT]

With all of the specific specialized BS they want I do not see many, if any, people completing all of these requirements. Someone like Coach, sure, someone like my wife, not so much.

 

[Coach]

All this stuff put in place to prevent it from happening.

Lip service to security freedom and liberty.

I will never be allowed to carry by my school. That scares them

 

[KellyinAvon]

All this stuff put in place to prevent it from happening.

Lip service to security freedom and liberty.

I will never be allowed to carry by my school. That scares them

Never giving up can be very tiresome.

 

[2A_Tom]

Looks like we fought hard and got shafted.

Time to email the Governor.

https://www.in.gov/gov/2752.htm

Sir,

Whereas I had written in the past to ask your support for HB 1253, I now have to ask you to not sign this into law.

In its current form, HB 1253 guarantees that no teacher or staff member will ever be able to defend themselves and their students in an active shooter situation.

It also puts the school boards that currently allow teachers and or staff to be armed in violation.

HB 1253 as originally written afforded training for staff and or faculty, but did not require it. it did not change existing law but only gave the opportunity for training.

The current Indiana Code is sufficient and will be subverted if HB1253 is signed into law.

IC 35-47-9-1 Exemptions from chapter Sec. 1. (a) This chapter does not apply to the following: (1) A: (A) federal; (B) state; or (C) local; law enforcement officer. (2) A person who may legally possess a firearm and who has been authorized by: (A) a school board (as defined by IC 20-26-9-4); or (B) the body that administers a charter school established under IC 20-24;

Sir, this is a case of a bill that started out to provide another layer of protection to our children and would metamorphize into law that puts many of our students more at risk.

Please do not sign HB 1253.

Thank you.

 

[AmmoManAaron]

Looks like we fought hard and got shafted.



Sir,

Whereas I had written in the past to ask your support for HB 1253, I now have to ask you to not sign this into law.

In its current form, HB 1253 guarantees that no teacher or staff member will ever be able to defend themselves and their students in an active shooter situation.

It also puts the school boards that currently allow teachers and or staff to be armed in violation.

HB 1253 as originally written afforded training for staff and or faculty, but did not require it. it did not change existing law but only gave the opportunity for training.

The current Indiana Code is sufficient and will be subverted if HB1253 is signed into law.

IC 35-47-9-1 Exemptions from chapter Sec. 1. (a) This chapter does not apply to the following: (1) A: (A) federal; (B) state; or (C) local; law enforcement officer. (2) A person who may legally possess a firearm and who has been authorized by: (A) a school board (as defined by IC 20-26-9-4); or (B) the body that administers a charter school established under IC 20-24;

Sir, this is a case of a bill that started out to provide another layer of protection to our children and would metamorphize into law that puts many of our students more at risk.

Please do not sign HB 1253.

Thank you.

Emailed the above to the Gov. Do it folks, it's easy - took literally one minute.

 

[MarkC]

Looks like we fought hard and got shafted.



Sir,

Whereas I had written in the past to ask your support for HB 1253, I now have to ask you to not sign this into law.

In its current form, HB 1253 guarantees that no teacher or staff member will ever be able to defend themselves and their students in an active shooter situation.

It also puts the school boards that currently allow teachers and or staff to be armed in violation.

HB 1253 as originally written afforded training for staff and or faculty, but did not require it. it did not change existing law but only gave the opportunity for training.

The current Indiana Code is sufficient and will be subverted if HB1253 is signed into law.

IC 35-47-9-1 Exemptions from chapter Sec. 1. (a) This chapter does not apply to the following: (1) A: (A) federal; (B) state; or (C) local; law enforcement officer. (2) A person who may legally possess a firearm and who has been authorized by: (A) a school board (as defined by IC 20-26-9-4); or (B) the body that administers a charter school established under IC 20-24;

Sir, this is a case of a bill that started out to provide another layer of protection to our children and would metamorphize into law that puts many of our students more at risk.

Please do not sign HB 1253.

Thank you.

I think you are being a bit premature.

The bill is "returned to the House with amendments" as of this moment. It is up to Rep. Lucas to either "concur" with the Senate amendments and let the entire House vote on the changed bill, or to "dissent" and have it sent to a conference committee. It is NOT yet going to the Governor.


ETA: Go here: House Bill 1253 - Specialized weapons and other training - Indiana General Assembly, 2019 Session and then click on the "bill actions" tab on the left.

 

[2A_Tom]

OK

 

[Kirk Freeman]

Amended "Red Flag" bill advances: https://www.theindianalawyer.com/articles/50019-amended-red-flag-law-bill-advances-out-of-senate

 

[KellyinAvon]

Amended "Red Flag" bill advances: https://www.theindianalawyer.com/articles/50019-amended-red-flag-law-bill-advances-out-of-senate

So does Senator Mark Stoops (D-Bloomington, F-NRA-ILA) Not realize this is making changes to a law that has been on the books for 14 years? What the hell is this “background inspection “ he’s talking about? Is he unaware of current law and the impact of HB 1651? Rhetorical question, he hasn’t a clue.

 

[BiscuitsandGravy]

Re; Amendment #3 that passed authored by Holdman (R)... who's water is he carrying so all that crap gets added?

Indiana General Assembly, 2019 Session

 

[KellyinAvon]

Re; Amendment #3 that passed authored by Holdman (R)... who's water is he carrying so all that crap gets added?

Indiana General Assembly, 2019 Session

I was wondering that myself.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

My take: the "church bill", with the language about the 5 year license, etc -- I wish that part had been ripped out. My cynical side believes this will come back to haunt us sooner or later. This "teacher training bill"--I've been luke warm on that this whole session (after the gutted it). We'll see how it turns out but when they gutted the original bill, my preference would have been just to drop it. The language above, if it stays as is, does not look like progress to me.