[DGU] The 'Defensive Gun Use' Thread

[Alamo]

New Jersey politicians are hard at work making sure this is the only way a righteous citizen can get a gun to defend himself:

The intruder allegedly arrived at the residence brandishing a semi-automatic handgun and a fight erupted with the man who lives at the home.
…
Police say that during the altercation the resident was able to get control of the gun and fired — hitting 29-year-old Terrence Coulanges, of Old Bridge, who died later at an area trauma center.

The two were acquainted, so there might be more to this, but as reported, sounds like good job on the part of the resident.
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/loc...504177541.html?_osource=SocialFlowTwt_NYBrand

N.B. : NBC New York reported this as an "unwanted visitor" and are taking a mountain of barn leavings for doing so. Possibly they were just trying to be funny but they aren't getting any breaks on this. Warning: language in some of the replies:
https://twitter.com/NBCNewYork/status/1083574260982005760

 

[T.Lex]

When did Indiana enact a castle doctrine? IC?

I thought we had no duty to retreat. Supreme court 18??.

Yeah, there's no duty to retreat, but the parts about protecting oneself in one's home have made that "easier." (That's not really what I mean - it isn't "easy" - but... more protections.)

Indiana Code 2018 - Indiana General Assembly, 2019 Session

Looks like the amendments I'm thinking of were mid-2000s and 2012.

 

[2A_Tom]

Redundancy is all legislators do.

No duty to retreat, covers anywhere you are any time.

The same with the law to defend yourself against LEO unlawfully entering. The case should have been vacated by the courts because the original judge was wrong in his opinion.

Sheesh! Lawyers!

 

[T.Lex]

Sheesh! Lawyers!

Its all their fault.

They suck.

 

[2A_Tom]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to T.Lex again.


ETA: ​Who was it that said the Law should be simple so that amy man can understand it?

 

[actaeon277]

They "why" of a person's presence at a location doesn't matter much. (Heck, even criminals doing crime have a right to self defense at a certain level.)

It will matter if the person had a reasonable fear of death or serious bodily injury.

I guess the "new" castle doctrine stuff (I still think of it as new) might come into play, but mostly it'll be an assessment of self defense, IMHO.

Criminals have a right to self defense?

 

[Alamo]

Criminals have a right to self defense?

Against unlawful force, yes.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

From a Reddit user:

I unfortunately knew a few of the suspects involved. The 2 surviving suspects have been charged with the death of the 3rd burglar. I've heard of similar things in other cases but that seems crazy.

They were all heroin addicts as well, really sad what this drug does to our communities. Breaking into people's homes is horrible but it's still really sad that a man is dead, also horrible that innocent people had their property violated and were forced to protect it. He was actually not a bad person but that drug changes people, it takes over and starts making your decisions for you.

 

[actaeon277]

From a Reddit user:

I've heard of similar things in other cases but that seems crazy.

No. It doesn't.


and were forced to protect it.

Forced by the criminals.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

"I have always worried about Tony having a gun, but thank God he had a gun”: Cafe employee stops “crazed” man on a rampage in Omaha

 

[wtburnette]

"I have always worried about Tony having a gun, but thank God he had a gun”: Cafe employee stops “crazed” man on a rampage in Omaha

Sounds like his mother finally gets it.

 

[actaeon277]

Yup. People don't see the need for a gun.... till they do.

 

[Thor]

I've heard of similar things in other cases but that seems crazy.

No. It doesn't.


and were forced to protect it.

Forced by the criminals.

Yeah, pretty much this. He was actually not a bad heroin addicted home invader....YGBSM.

 

[Alamo]

https://www.click2houston.com/news/homeowner-robber-both-shot-in-home-invasion

Houston- Two home invaders, one definitely shot and the other possibly shot, and homeowner shot as well and in critical condition.

 

[Alamo]

Also Houston, another “unfair” use of firearm, this time against crowbar.

https://www.click2houston.com/news/...-to-break-in-home-in-north-houston-police-say

 

[actaeon277]

Also Houston, another “unfair” use of firearm, this time against crowbar.

https://www.click2houston.com/news/...-to-break-in-home-in-north-houston-police-say

Well, the commenters didn't seem to think it was "unfair".
(yes, I know you were talking about other times where families of the perp said that)

 

[wtburnette]

Also Houston, another “unfair” use of firearm, this time against crowbar.

https://www.click2houston.com/news/...-to-break-in-home-in-north-houston-police-say

I'd certainly be in fear of my life if someone trying to break into my home attacked me with a crowbar. I'm thinking he didn't have good intentions.

 

[Alamo]

Well, the commenters didn't seem to think it was "unfair".
(yes, I know you were talking about other times where families of the perp said that)

Most of the commenters on the Houston Chronicle (and other Texas newspapers) stories about burglars getting shot have a distinct lack of sympathy for the burglars. When it is it reasonably clear of the guy was a thief, commenters don’t much care if he was shot going to, in the commission of, or running from a burglary.

 

[actaeon277]

Most of the commenters on the Houston Chronicle (and other Texas newspapers) stories about burglars getting shot have a distinct lack of sympathy for the burglars. When it is it reasonably clear of the guy was a thief, commenters don’t much care if he was shot going to, in the commission of, or running from a burglary.

Much better than comments from California.

 

[actaeon277]