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This begs the question, when someone pays their "debt to society" are they never allowed to defend themselves again?
Should there be recourse to regain your civil rights?
In many states there are pushes to renew voting rights of felons.
Is the right to vote more important than the right to self defense?
Please, do not reply! This is just something that may give some pause and something to think about.
Should there be recourse to regain your civil rights?
In many states there are pushes to renew voting rights of felons.
Is the right to vote more important than the right to self defense?
Please, do not reply! This is just something that may give some pause and something to think about.
This is old (March 2017) but I just ran across it and found it interesting:
Getaway driver arrested after 3 suspects are shot to death in Wagoner Co. home invasion
Oklahoma man who used an AR-15 rifle to kill 3 teens breaking into his house won't be charged with murder — the woman who drove them there will
LISTEN: Oklahoma Man Calls 911 After Shooting Teen Burglars
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...klahoma-burglary-doesn-t-blame-homeowner.html
Cliff's notes: 21 yo woman organized a burglary of using two 18yo and 15yo males as the burglars while she (and possibly someone else) drove the getaway car. They had already burglarized a garage apartment at the same address when they returned to burgle the house itself. The house was occupied by a 23 yo man who upon hearing a glass door being broken armed himself with an AR15. He confronted three individuals wearing black clothing, masks, and gloves, bearing brass knuckles and a knife. He shot them, two collapsed in the house, one ran out and collapsed outside (it is apparent from the 911 recording that the 23 yo did not realize he hit the third one). The young man then barricaded in a bedroom and called 911. The third link has a recording of his 911 call. In the fourth link above it seems to say each burglar was hit with a single round.
The prosecutor and sheriff both agree the young man legally defended himself. The female getaway driver turned herself in and was charged with both burglary and three counts of first degree murder. She doesn't believe she's responsible for the teens death. In other articles she says she doesn't blame the young man for defending his home, but in other thinks the young man should have only shot them in the legs. hmmm.
STATE OF OKLAHOMA vs. RODRIGUEZ, ELIZABETH MARIE
It appears she pleaded guilty to three counts of 2nd degree murder for which she was sentenced to serve 32 years for each. Also admitted some burglary charges, and owes $1300 in court costs.
Pretty much textbook home defense. With an AR15.
ETA:
Although this event was a almost two years ago, Stephen Green on Instapundit highlighted it today with this...absurdity:
Grandfather of Oklahoma teen killed by homeowner in burglary says AR15 made for 'unfair' fight
(at least the media got the scare quotes right in this case)
Gramps is actually making the case that when his idiot grandprogeny, bearing weapons, break into people's houses, people should stop and ascertain what the idiots' intentions and weaponry are before taking action. I can sympathize with the grief of families who lose a family member, especially a child, for any reason (especially a stupid bad one). But when they try to weaponize their grief to blame others for the immoral and criminal actions of their kin...no sympathy whatsoever. That's abusing society's compassion.
Getaway driver arrested after 3 suspects are shot to death in Wagoner Co. home invasion
Oklahoma man who used an AR-15 rifle to kill 3 teens breaking into his house won't be charged with murder — the woman who drove them there will
LISTEN: Oklahoma Man Calls 911 After Shooting Teen Burglars
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...klahoma-burglary-doesn-t-blame-homeowner.html
Cliff's notes: 21 yo woman organized a burglary of using two 18yo and 15yo males as the burglars while she (and possibly someone else) drove the getaway car. They had already burglarized a garage apartment at the same address when they returned to burgle the house itself. The house was occupied by a 23 yo man who upon hearing a glass door being broken armed himself with an AR15. He confronted three individuals wearing black clothing, masks, and gloves, bearing brass knuckles and a knife. He shot them, two collapsed in the house, one ran out and collapsed outside (it is apparent from the 911 recording that the 23 yo did not realize he hit the third one). The young man then barricaded in a bedroom and called 911. The third link has a recording of his 911 call. In the fourth link above it seems to say each burglar was hit with a single round.
The prosecutor and sheriff both agree the young man legally defended himself. The female getaway driver turned herself in and was charged with both burglary and three counts of first degree murder. She doesn't believe she's responsible for the teens death. In other articles she says she doesn't blame the young man for defending his home, but in other thinks the young man should have only shot them in the legs. hmmm.
STATE OF OKLAHOMA vs. RODRIGUEZ, ELIZABETH MARIE
It appears she pleaded guilty to three counts of 2nd degree murder for which she was sentenced to serve 32 years for each. Also admitted some burglary charges, and owes $1300 in court costs.
Pretty much textbook home defense. With an AR15.
ETA:
Although this event was a almost two years ago, Stephen Green on Instapundit highlighted it today with this...absurdity:
Grandfather of Oklahoma teen killed by homeowner in burglary says AR15 made for 'unfair' fight
(at least the media got the scare quotes right in this case)
Gramps is actually making the case that when his idiot grandprogeny, bearing weapons, break into people's houses, people should stop and ascertain what the idiots' intentions and weaponry are before taking action. I can sympathize with the grief of families who lose a family member, especially a child, for any reason (especially a stupid bad one). But when they try to weaponize their grief to blame others for the immoral and criminal actions of their kin...no sympathy whatsoever. That's abusing society's compassion.
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https://abc7chicago.com/woman-with-...empted-robber-in-fernwood-police-say/5034294/
CHICAGO (WLS) -- A woman fatally shot a man who was trying to rob her at a bus stop Tuesday morning in Chicago's Fernwood neighborhood, Chicago police said.
<span style="font-family: Helvetica">[video=youtube_share;ZWKss_21yvo]http://youtu.be/ZWKss_21yvo[/video]
CHICAGO (WLS) -- A woman fatally shot a man who was trying to rob her at a bus stop Tuesday morning in Chicago's Fernwood neighborhood, Chicago police said.
<span style="font-family: Helvetica">[video=youtube_share;ZWKss_21yvo]http://youtu.be/ZWKss_21yvo[/video]
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South Carolina:
UPDATE: Coroner ID?s man killed in self-defense shooting outside of child?s birthday party in Columbia Saturday
ETA:
It appears the deceased party, who was 30 at time of death, was charged with three counts of robbery and nine counts of kidnapping as part of a robbery gang when he was 19.
Four suspects charged with over 20 robberies
UPDATE: Coroner ID?s man killed in self-defense shooting outside of child?s birthday party in Columbia Saturday
ETA:
It appears the deceased party, who was 30 at time of death, was charged with three counts of robbery and nine counts of kidnapping as part of a robbery gang when he was 19.
Four suspects charged with over 20 robberies
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This just happened tonight, just down the street
1 of 3 men who attempted to burglarize southeast side home shot and killed by person inside
1 of 3 men who attempted to burglarize southeast side home shot and killed by person inside
O.K. Ingo legal eagles.
Is this kosher?
The article says the home owner "arranged for someone to be in the house...".
I know it is legal for you to protect your own property, but does this situation bring up any legal challenges for the shooter? What about the other guy inside with him?
I'm guessing they were not members of an armed security service per se, at least that wasn't reported.
Would that make a difference, being paid as security?
They "why" of a person's presence at a location doesn't matter much. (Heck, even criminals doing crime have a right to self defense at a certain level.)
It will matter if the person had a reasonable fear of death or serious bodily injury.
I guess the "new" castle doctrine stuff (I still think of it as new) might come into play, but mostly it'll be an assessment of self defense, IMHO.
It will matter if the person had a reasonable fear of death or serious bodily injury.
I guess the "new" castle doctrine stuff (I still think of it as new) might come into play, but mostly it'll be an assessment of self defense, IMHO.
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