Officer kills armed civilian

[2A_Tom]

JSCR, you may want to tone it down a little.

 

[JCSR]

JSCR, you may want to tone it down a little.

Will do

 

[Hoosierdood]

Why because I have an opinion that disagrees with someone?

No, because you're getting butt hurt and taking something personal that doesn't seem to be intended that way.

 

[Clay Pigeon]

Well, his opinion was actually correct. Blood spatter is hardly an exact science, mainly because of all the variables which can create different spatter. In fact, blood spatter analysis isn't as often used as "hollywood" would have you believe. If your sister was teaching blood spatter, as a college course, geeeeeeeez..... I gotta wonder how long ago that was.

This semester at two colleges..

 

[2A_Tom]

No because of the way you are expressing it. You basically called him a liar. This is not the anonymous interwebs. INGO is more it is a community. We know each other in the real, we eat and shoot together and would like to get to know you.

There are a few here that are slanted more toward Openly Carrying, I being one, But Coach Is not.

He just sees no reason to make the unsubstantiated statement that this is due to OC. If it was it would be at most anecdotal.

 

[Denny347]

This is fair how exactly? Perhaps you see how some of us feel trapped in the middle. We have to worry about fire from both directions. It makes you want to give up on society all together.

It's not. I understand your concerns.

 

[JCSR]

No because of the way you are expressing it. You basically called him a liar. This is not the anonymous interwebs. INGO is more it is a community. We know each other in the real, we eat and shoot together and would like to get to know you.

There are a few here that are slanted more toward Openly Carrying, I being one, But Coach Is not.

He just sees no reason to make the unsubstantiated statement that this is due to OC. If it was it would be at most anecdotal.

I cleaned things up. I hope all is well.

 

[2A_Tom]

Like I say you are welcome here.

I have had my problems and gotten called out for it. I did not mean to be mean at all.

 

[Kutnupe14]

This semester at two colleges..

Fair enough

 

[engi-ninja]

I touched my holstered pistol in a gunshop in front of a cop and got yelled that pretty good once. I was never going to unholster it but I did exactly what you are talking about. I don’t do that anymore. With a good holster simply trust it.

What is the logic here? A civilian is never allowed to touch his gun, for any reason, in front of a cop, because the cop might think he's pulling the gun on him, and kill him? How is that reasonable on any level? What if there's a threat the cop isn't aware of yet, and you're preparing to draw against it? You get killed because the cop thinks he has a monopoly on touching loaded firearms, and anyone else touching one can be shot on sight? That doesn't seem like a reasonable attitude to me.

 

[cbhausen]

What is the logic here? A civilian is never allowed to touch his gun, for any reason, in front of a cop, because the cop might think he's pulling the gun on him, and kill him? How is that reasonable on any level? What if there's a threat the cop isn't aware of yet, and you're preparing to draw against it? You get killed because the cop thinks he has a monopoly on touching loaded firearms, and anyone else touching one can be shot on sight? That doesn't seem like a reasonable attitude to me.

Yeah, the guy got a little jumpy with me. But I’m sure as hell not gonna argue with him at that point. My statement is valid though: don’t mess with your gun in public. It is potentially dangerous (If unholstered, yes, people play show-and-tell), draws the wrong kind of attention, and at best makes you look like a nOOb.

this is coming from a person who OCs, a LOT.

 

[Kutnupe14]

What is the logic here? A civilian is never allowed to touch his gun, for any reason, in front of a cop, because the cop might think he's pulling the gun on him, and kill him? How is that reasonable on any level? What if there's a threat the cop isn't aware of yet, and you're preparing to draw against it? You get killed because the cop thinks he has a monopoly on touching loaded firearms, and anyone else touching one can be shot on sight? That doesn't seem like a reasonable attitude to me.

If an officer is approaching you, and it's clear he's approaching you, then yeah a civilian, private citizen, or whomever should NOT touch his gun, or even make a motion in that direction. I would think, or rather hope, that's common sense.

 

[engi-ninja]

If an officer is approaching you, and it's clear he's approaching you, then yeah a civilian, private citizen, or whomever should NOT touch his gun, or even make a motion in that direction. I would think, or rather hope, that's common sense.

I certainly agree with that. It was not my understanding that the incident in question involved touching his gun during an interaction with an LEO. I agree that would warrant a tongue lashing.

 

[cbhausen]

What is the logic here? A civilian is never allowed to touch his gun, for any reason, in front of a cop, because the cop might think he's pulling the gun on him, and kill him? How is that reasonable on any level? What if there's a threat the cop isn't aware of yet, and you're preparing to draw against it? You get killed because the cop thinks he has a monopoly on touching loaded firearms, and anyone else touching one can be shot on sight? That doesn't seem like a reasonable attitude to me.

I wasn’t shot on sight, just called out for doing something dumb. The “monopoly” you describe does not exist. Cops are human too and make human mistakes. I now try better not to help them in that regard.

 

[churchmouse]

I wasn’t shot on sight, just called out for doing something dumb. The “monopoly” you describe does not exist. Cops are human too and make human mistakes. I now try better not to help them in that regard.

Yes sir.

 

[engi-ninja]

Yeah, the guy got a little jumpy with me. But I’m sure as hell not gonna argue with him at that point. My statement is valid though: don’t mess with your gun in public. It is potentially dangerous (If unholstered, yes, people play show-and-tell), draws the wrong kind of attention, and at best makes you look like a nOOb.

this is coming from a person who OCs, a LOT.

I agree; I'm certainly not advocating for fondling one's pistol grip while walking through wal-mart.

 

[Gingerbeardman]

It's gotta be a scary time to be a cop, these days. I've had a few interactions with officers, and a few discussions with officers about how they're trained and how to act, and if you are stressed out, in the middle of fixing a car, it could be hard to slow down and think about what's happening. Interactions with cops are also not like a normal interaction with a civilian. This whole situation is unfortunate, very much so, and I imagine it's just a case of a touchy situation that went terribly wrong with no great fault/wrongdoing on either side. I don't mean to sound insensitive to the deceased's friends and family or like I'm disregarding the loss of life. There will be questions forever I would imagine.

 

[Route 45]

People can say that open carry had nothing to do with this, but I think it had everything to do with it. It's hard for a cop to shoot someone "reaching for a gun" if he doesn't even know that the guy on the side of the road has a gun. Even from the limited information we have so far, it can be determined that the cop knew the guy was armed and the cop ended up shooting him. Take away that openly carried pistol and the entire situation may have played out differently.

You absolutely should not be shot by an officer mistaking your intent with an openly carried handgun, but then again, cops are human, aren't they?

 

[doddg]

I'm not rushing to judgment on this. I truly believe he was not a criminal of any sort, a good husband, father, grandfather and an upstanding businessman. I also have no reason to believe the trooper was out to execute an innocent citizen on the side of a relatively busy highway. Something went horribly wrong and I would like to take the opportunity to learn from the event and not have it repeated.

1. Well said.

 

[Whosyer]

Yeah, the guy got a little jumpy with me. But I’m sure as hell not gonna argue with him at that point. My statement is valid though: don’t mess with your gun in public. It is potentially dangerous (If unholstered, yes, people play show-and-tell), draws the wrong kind of attention, and at best makes you look like a nOOb.

this is coming from a person who OCs, a LOT.

Yet, I've never been shot ,or lectured , by a CO. And I've been approached by one, several times, while holding a loaded shotgun or rifle. By the same token, I've been ordered out of my vehicle, and disarmed, by a city police officer, because he saw a pink piece of paper next to my driver's license. Seems like a training, or mind set kind of thing.